Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-25 Thread John Clark
Funded by a $100,000,000 grant from Bill Gates biologists have found a way to make a species of mosquitoes go extinct using CRISPR genetic engineering technology to connect a sterility gene to a Gene Driver: https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.4245 Normally if you have a gene there is only a 50%

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-26 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 12:08:10PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > > Mosquitoes carry many diseases, malaria alone killed 450,000 people last year > and made many millions more very sick, nevertheless self styled guardians of > morality are already calling for a moratorium on the use of this technology

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-26 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:04 AM Russell Standish wrote: > *It's not morality, but the precautionary principle in action.* Every single year you delay doing this you will be condemning 725,000 people to die from malaria and other diseases and incapacitate hundreds of millions more for weeks at a

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 01:22:06PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:04 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > > > > It's not morality, but the precautionary principle in action. > > > Every single year you delay doing this you will be condemning 725,000 people > to > die from

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-28 Thread John Clark
Russell Standish wrote: > > *>There is also the possibility of wholesale ecosystem collapse, notjust > some birds. Do you know that these mosquitos _aren't_ a keystonespecies?* I don't know anything for certain about the environment and never will but I have a strong hunch the 40 mosquito spec

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 01:42:02PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > Russell Standish wrote: > > > >There is also the possibility of wholesale ecosystem collapse, not > just some birds. Do you know that these mosquitos _aren't_ a keystone > species? > > > I don't know anything for certain

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
> With the calici trial, the right things were being done, but then some > idiot (probably with your mindset) decided to release the virus on the > mainland anyway. Fortunately, in that case, we dodged a bullet. Not so > with cane toads, or the bloody rabbits in the first place. Even before the ag

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 8:31 PM Russell Standish wrote: >>I do know for certain that for 725,000 people each and every year NOT >> using Gene Drive WILL be the equivalent to the Chicxulub Event . > > > > *That's a big exaggeration. Name one species that's going extinct due > to malaria, as comp

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-29 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 06:13:24PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > > > Is it different with people, do you know the impact removing 725,000 people > from the realm of the living every year will have? If not and their impacts > are > equally unknown then I think you should give the benefit of the doub

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-29 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 7:23 PM Russell Standish wrote: > Is it different with people, do you know the impact removing 725,000 >> people from the realm of the living every year will have? If not and >> their impacts are equally unknown then I think you should give the >> benefit of the doubt to

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-29 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:08:38PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 7:23 PM Russell Standish > wrote: > > > > Is it different with people, do you know the impact removing 725,000 > people  from the realm of the living every year will have? If not and >

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-30 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:23 PM Russell Standish wrote: > *Over 10 years (say) 7 million lives are lost, diminishing our capacity > for producing the next Einstein by 0.1%. * Well 0.1% is pretty low, but I have a hunch the probability of one of 7 million mosquitoes becoming the next Einste

Re: Gene Drive and morality

2018-09-30 Thread smitra
We may well be able to get rid of these specific mosquito species, this may well end up proven to be a safe and effective thing to do. Also what John mentioned a while back in this tread about genetically modified rice that contains vitamin A is probably going to work well. However, the reason