Re: Re: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change

2013-08-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
: Roger Clough To: - Roger Clough Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 3:31 am Subject: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change So far, materialistic models of the mind, such as Dennett's, are essentially passive

Re: Re: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change

2013-08-28 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change So far, materialistic models of the mind, such as Dennett's, are essentially passive. There is no internal active agent of change, which one

Re: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change

2013-08-27 Thread spudboy100
Message- From: Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net To: - Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 3:31 am Subject: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change So far, materialistic models

Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change

2013-08-26 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change So far, materialistic models of the mind, such as Dennett's, are essentially passive. There is no internal active agent of change, which one might call the Self. The internal active agent of change is desire, which we might

Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change

2013-08-26 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change So far, materialistic models of the mind, such as Dennett's, are essentially passive. There is no internal active agent of change, which one might call the Self. The internal active agent of change is desire, which we might

Re: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change

2013-08-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
It should be mentioned that final causation requires downward causation to be operative. See George Ellis for examples of downward causation at the human level. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1212/1212.2275.pdf Recognising Top-Down Causation George Ellis, University of Cape Town Abstract: One

Re: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change

2013-08-26 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 06:26:36AM -0400, Richard Ruquist wrote: It should be mentioned that final causation requires downward causation to be operative. Why? The principle of least action in Lagrangian dynamics is an apparent final causation, but no downward causation is in play, as there are