Re: Mind and personhood. Was: Kim 1

2008-12-23 Thread A. Wolf
So, do you have one? :) Will attempt to respond tomorrow--I have a whole bunch of emails flagged for this group that I meant to respond to earlier. This list is much busier than I would have ever suspected, but I'm not complaining. :) Anna

Re: Mind and personhood. Was: Kim 1

2008-12-15 Thread John Mikes
Colin, Hi! I join your liking: self awareness is a good name for something I questioned to be well identified, or not. So is consciousness, life, and lots of terms we 'like' to use as if we knew what we are talking about. ('Numbers' included). I did not oppose most of Anna's position, (in ~20

Re: Mind and personhood. Was: Kim 1

2008-12-14 Thread John Mikes
Dear Anna, I think this is the first time I reflect to your post and I found them reasonable, well informed. You wrote: ..*some subjective experience of personhood or* being *that we all share*, and each of us presumably experiences *something* like that. I emphasize the 'something': who knows

Re: Mind and personhood. Was: Kim 1

2008-12-14 Thread A. Wolf
..*some subjective experience of personhood or* being *that we all share*, and each of us presumably experiences *something* like that. I emphasize the 'something': who knows if we experience (share?) the same feeling? The words we use to describe it are not more relevant than describing

Re: Mind and personhood. Was: Kim 1

2008-12-14 Thread Colin Hales
A. Wolf wrote: ..*some subjective experience of personhood or* being *that we all share*, and each of us presumably experiences *something* like that. I emphasize the 'something': who knows if we experience (share?) the same feeling? The words we use to describe it are not more relevant

Re: Mind and personhood. Was: Kim 1

2008-12-14 Thread Brent Meeker
A. Wolf wrote: ..*some subjective experience of personhood or* being *that we all share*, and each of us presumably experiences *something* like that. I emphasize the 'something': who knows if we experience (share?) the same feeling? The words we use to describe it are not more relevant

Re: Mind and personhood. Was: Kim 1

2008-12-14 Thread Kim Jones
On 15/12/2008, at 2:16 PM, Colin Hales wrote: An ability to deny self-awareness as a marker of self awareness. You can use this as a logical bootstrap to sort things out. I like it! cheers colin hales Anyone remember George Levy? Here is what he said about this: ..this only proves

Mind and personhood. Was: Kim 1

2008-12-13 Thread A. Wolf
I apologize if I seemed rude or accusatory...I'm just expressing an idea. Words are very useful, but systematic measurements are better for certain things, because the Universe seems to allow us to repeat them. Issues involving the mind are intrinsically harder to tackle. Human dialogue over