ng
else to have minds."
There are his own words!
Stephen
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Le 15-mai-05, à 15:40, Stephen Paul King a écrit :
Two points: I am pointing out that the "non-interactional" idea of
computation and any form of monism will fail to account for the
"necessity" of 1st person viewpoints.
You know that the "necessity" of 1st person viewpoints is what I
consider
l object that has no
possible representation.
Stephen
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I appreciate that there a
with
appropriate soldering and coding, or would we have to surrender to dualism/
an immaterial soul/ Roger Penrose or what?
--Stathis Papaioannou
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I am sure that I am being a fooling tyro is this post. ;-)
Kindest regards,
Stephen
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Jesse wrote:
> The main objection that comes to my mind is that in order to plan ahead of
> time what number should be in each tape location before the armature
> begins moving and flipping bits, you need to have already done the
> computation in the regular way--so Olympia is not really computing
Jesse comments on Brian's remarkable and exceedingly valuable
explication (thanks, Brian!), even if some old-timers are
having deja-vu all over again, and are wondering if indeed
the universe isn't hopelessly cyclic after all.
> > triggering tape locations. To make it even simpler, the read/write
Hal writes
> We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999.
> I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html .
> Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed
> ...
> I suggested a flaw in Maudlin's argument at
> http:/
Brian Scurfield wrote:
Bruno recently urged me to read up on Tim Maudlin's movie-graph argument
against the computational hypothesis. I did so. Here is my version of the
argument.
According to the computational hypothesis, consciousness supervenes on
brain
activity and
Hal wrote:
> We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999.
> I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html
> .
> Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed
> up; I will point to my posting at
> http://www.escribe.c
We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999.
I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html .
Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed
up; I will point to my posting at
http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m962.h
Thanks for that very nice summary. I let people think about it. We have discussed it a long time before on the Everything-list. A keyword to find that discussion in the everything list archive is "crackpot" as Jacques Mallah named the argument.
Good we can come back on this, because we didn't concl
Bruno recently urged me to read up on Tim Maudlin's movie-graph argument
against the computational hypothesis. I did so. Here is my version of the
argument.
According to the computational hypothesis, consciousness supervenes on brain
activity and the important level of
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