Re: One more question about measure

2005-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juil.-05, à 00:56, Russell Standish a écrit : You are right, my apologies. I read the necessitation rule backwards in your thesis. You do in fact say P => []P. I'll take your word for it that consistency destroys necessitation, but I don't have the intuitive understanding of it yet. Never

Re: One more question about measure

2005-07-05 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 04:03:11PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > >If D'P = BP & ~B~P & P, then D'P => P (ie necessitation). So it seems > >it is the conjunction of truth of P that gives rise to necessitation, > >no? > > > No. Necessitation is the inference rule according to which if the > m

Re: One more question about measure

2005-07-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-juil.-05, à 12:32, Russell Standish a écrit : On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 12:09:24PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: How does it give the logic of "temporal knowledge"? I understand from your points below, that the necessitation rule is necessary for Kripke semantics, and its is clear to me t

Re: One more question about measure

2005-07-05 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 12:09:24PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > >How does it give the logic of "temporal knowledge"? I understand from > >your points below, that the necessitation rule is necessary for Kripke > >semantics, and its is clear to me that necessitation follows from > >Thaetetus 1 &

Re: One more question about measure

2005-07-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-juil.-05, à 09:39, Russell Standish a écrit : On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 05:30:08PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: This reminds me of something I wanted to ask you Bruno. In your work you axiomatise knowledge and end up with various logical systems that describe variously 1st person knowledge

Re: One more question about measure

2005-07-05 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 05:30:08PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > This reminds me of something I wanted to ask you Bruno. In your > > work > > you axiomatise knowledge and end up with various logical systems > > that > > describe variously 1st person knowledge, 1st person communicable >

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juin-05, à 08:47, Russell Standish a écrit : On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perhaps. It depends of your definition of "OM", and of your "everything" theory. Let me tell you the "Lobian's answer": if I have a successor OM then I have a successor OM whi

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juin-05, à 08:47, Russell Standish a écrit : On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perhaps. It depends of your definition of "OM", and of your "everything" theory. Let me tell you the "Lobian's answer": if I have a successor OM then I have a successor OM which

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juin-05, à 03:22, Quentin Anciaux a écrit : Le Samedi 25 Juin 2005 18:51, Bruno Marchal a écrit : Not really because you assume our eyes are bounded. Any finite machine running forever recurs but not infinite or universal one. Bruno Yes I assume my eyes are bounded... because they are

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-26 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Perhaps. It depends of your definition of "OM", and of your > "everything" theory. > > Let me tell you the "Lobian's answer": if I have a successor OM then I > have a successor OM which has no successor OM. > > OK, I am cheati

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-25 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le Samedi 25 Juin 2005 18:51, Bruno Marchal a écrit : > Not really because you assume our eyes are bounded. Any finite machine > running forever recurs but not infinite or universal one. > > Bruno Yes I assume my eyes are bounded... because they are, physically speaking they are... And if I und

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Quentin, Hi Bruno, Le Vendredi 24 Juin 2005 15:25, Bruno Marchal a écrit : Because if everything exists... every OM has a successor (and I'd say it must always have more than one), Perhaps. It depends of your definition of "OM", and of your "everything" theory. Let me tell you the "Lobia

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Quentin Anciaux writes: 1) assume an observer that can see. 2) assume that the observer can see only at a certain resolution/level (it's true that I can't see everything, I do not see quarks for example, nor my cells) Then, I can digitalize every image that I (assuming I'm an observer ;) can

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Please replace bits by bytes ;) Quentin Anciaux

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi Bruno, Le Vendredi 24 Juin 2005 15:25, Bruno Marchal a écrit : > > Because if everything exists... every OM has a > > successor (and I'd say it must always have more than one), > > Perhaps. It depends of your definition of "OM", and of your > "everything" theory. > > Let me tell you the "Lobian'

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 22-juin-05, à 19:50, Quentin Anciaux a écrit : I have one more question about measure : I don't understand the concept of 'increasing' and 'decreasing' measure if I assume everything exists. Me neither. Especially when I accept, for the sake of some argument,

Re: One more question about measure

2005-06-22 Thread George Levy
Hi Quentin, Stathis Quentin Anciaux wrote: Hi list, I have one more question about measure : I don't understand the concept of 'increasing' and 'decreasing' measure if I assume everything exists. Because if everything exists... every OM has a successor (and I&

One more question about measure

2005-06-22 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi list, I have one more question about measure : I don't understand the concept of 'increasing' and 'decreasing' measure if I assume everything exists. Because if everything exists... every OM has a successor (and I'd say it must always have more than one),