Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-08-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-août-05, à 03:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Hales) a écrit : Reality vs perception of reality? I vote we work really hard on the latter and drop all ascription in relation to the former. A significant dose of humility indeed. I don't think "objective reality" can be perceived (only

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-08-03 Thread John M
The discussion 'Brent vs Colin' is exciting. I am still confused about the ">" and ">>" lines, I assume the latter is Colin's saying while both the ">" and the unmarked text (*** - *** below) comes from Brent. My apologies, if I missed the boat. I want to reply to issues anyway, not persons. Will

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-08-03 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: So when I said that a rocket motor didn't fire last March because corrosion products in the IRFNA pickup tube clogged the line, all those people who thought this was an explanation were simply fooled. No. I am being very specific about the words. When I say explanation I me

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-08-01 Thread daddycaylor
[Col replies---] Tom, in your very eloquent fashion you have touched upon the essence of my approach to the issue of a theory of everything. I need to make sure that everyone knows that the "very eloquent" words are not mine, but those of H.W.B. Joseph in the reference

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-08-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
I thought this article might be useful! Stephen http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/objectivity/bogusskepticism.htm The Objectivity of Science Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Skepticism by Rochus Boerner The progress of science depends on a finely tuned balance between open-mindedness an

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-08-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brent Meeker writes: > On 31-Jul-05, you wrote: > > > [-Original Message-Tom Caylor wrote:] May I offer the following quote > > as a potential catalyst for Bruno and Colin: > ... > > Our scientific evidentiary process is based on the fallacy of the assumed > > e

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[-Original Message-Tom Caylor wrote:] May I offer the following quote as a potential catalyst for Bruno and Colin: If thought is laryngeal motion, how should any one think more truly than the wind blows? All movements of bodies are equally necessary, but they cannot be discriminated as true

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 29-juil.-05, à 18:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : May I offer the following quote as a potential catalyst for Bruno and Colin: If thought is laryngeal motion, how should any one think more truly than the wind blows? All movements of bodies are equally necessary, but they cannot be discri

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-29 Thread Daddycaylor
Tom wrote:   >> May I offer the following quote as a potential catalyst for Bruno and >> Colin:>> >> If thought is laryngeal motion, how should any one think more truly >> than the wind blows? All movements of bodies are equally necessary, but >> they cannot be discriminated as true and fals

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-29 Thread Brent Meeker
On 29-Jul-05, you wrote: > May I offer the following quote as a potential catalyst for Bruno and > Colin: > > If thought is laryngeal motion, how should any one think more truly > than the wind blows? All movements of bodies are equally necessary, but > they cannot be discriminated as true and

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-29 Thread daddycaylor
May I offer the following quote as a potential catalyst for Bruno and Colin: If thought is laryngeal motion, how should any one think more truly than the wind blows? All movements of bodies are equally necessary, but they cannot be discriminated as true and false. It seems as nonsensical to c

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi Bruno, > >> Now look at science. >> >> We do correlations of perceptual artefacts = _contents_ of phenomenal >> consiousness to the point of handing out _Nobel prizes_ for >> depictions of correlated artefacts of our phenomenal fields. >> >> AND THEN >> >> we deny phenomenal consciousness

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Colin, Le 28-juil.-05, à 02:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi Bruno, Now look at science. We do correlations of perceptual artefacts = _contents_ of phenomenal consiousness to the point of handing out _Nobel prizes_ for depictions of correlated artefacts of our phenomenal fields. AND T

RE: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-27 Thread Lee Corbin
Charles writes > [col] > I aologise in advance for my crap spelling. My fingers > don;t type what I think. That's the relaity of it! :-) Do you have a spell-checker? > Warning... I am also adopting Lee-style bombast because > I feel like venting. Don't be too precious about it! :-) Blast away!

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Bruno, > Now look at science. > > We do correlations of perceptual artefacts = _contents_ of phenomenal > consiousness to the point of handing out _Nobel prizes_ for depictions > of correlated artefacts of our phenomenal fields. > > AND THEN > > we deny phenomenal consciousness? Declare it u

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-juil.-05, à 03:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Now look at science. We do correlations of perceptual artefacts = _contents_ of phenomenal consiousness to the point of handing out _Nobel prizes_ for depictions of correlated artefacts of our phenomenal fields. AND THEN we deny phenom

Re: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-05, à 03:12, Lee Corbin a écrit : We all admit that it's easy to become confused. I myself regularly do so every day. In fact, you can't even learn anything until you first become confused. I agree. But there is *no* reason to become more confused than is necessary. Sure.

RE: Reality vs. Perception of Reality

2005-07-26 Thread Lee Corbin
Colin writes > Hi Lee, Beat around the 'bush', why don't you! You're right. I must be more direct. Okay, here it is: Philosophy is too important to be left to the philosophers. Academically, it has become an almost completely worthless cult. (I am *not* exaggerating one bit.) > 'Reality', wha