Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this paper?

Liz: This is the 'other' John. - *They *(black holes and all other figments we 'believe' in our scientific (physcalistic etc.) WORLD(s) - D O - exist, if not otherwise: in our mind (whatever we call so). * In Reality? *(First tell me, please, what you call Reality?) . I agree with Brent's

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Good to hear from you Liz. John Ross From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:00 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this

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Before anybody gets too excited there are 2 things to keep in mind: 1) There is overwhelming empirical evidence that Black Holes DO exist, so if a theoretician says they don't then that's the theoretician's problem not the Black Hole's. 2) The most interesting sentence in the article was The

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From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com Before anybody gets too excited there are 2 things to keep in mind: 1) There is overwhelming empirical evidence that Black Holes DO exist, so if a theoretician says they don't then that's the theoretician's problem

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On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:55 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: We have overwhelming astronomical evidence that entities exist which are gravitationally massive and compact Yes. but I am unaware that any have actually been detected. What

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On 9/26/2014 10:55 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: -- *From:* John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com Before anybody gets too excited there are 2 things to keep in mind: 1) There is

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From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this paper? On 9/26/2014 10:55 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

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What about the poster child Cygnus X-1. I thought that was too dense to be a neutron star. Cheers On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 06:24:02PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: I just looked at. If black holes don't exist it's going to be a problem explaining what it is at the center of the Milky Way (and other

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There are objects that are way too massive to be anything but black holes (if our current understanding of general relativity is correct). I believe the core of M104 (the Sombrero galaxy) is about one billion solar masses, for example. But to be fair, I'm not sure exactly what is being claimed in

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this paper? I just looked at. If black

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And what of the singularity theorized as the initial state of the Big Bang?-- Original message-- From:LizRDate:Wed, 9/24/2014 5:21 PMTo:everything-list@googlegroups.com;Subject:Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this paper?This appears to be saying

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The singularity is an inference from general relativity extrapolated to arbitrarily short distances and high densities...where it cannot apply because it's not consistent with quantum mechanics. When your equation predicts a singularity, it just means you've gone beyond the domain of

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Black Holes do exist and they are at the center of each galaxy and they continuously consume parts of their galaxies, destroying protons and anti-protons and releasing neutrino photons to provide the gravity of their galaxy. (See Chapter XX, Black Holes and Gravity, in Tronnies, The Source of

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From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Do they or don't they exist? Is anyone familiar with this paper? The singularity is an inference from general relativity

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On 26 September 2014 09:12, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Black Holes do exist and they are at the center of each galaxy and they continuously consume parts of their galaxies, destroying protons and anti-protons and releasing neutrino photons to provide the gravity of their

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On 26 September 2014 08:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The singularity is an inference from general relativity extrapolated to arbitrarily short distances and high densities...where it cannot apply because it's not consistent with quantum mechanics. When your equation predicts a

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Liz – that was my same reaction, truly massive things are astronomically observed to be out there (at the centers of big galaxies at least – don’t know if star clusters and satellite galaxies also have smaller analogues at their centers – or not?). The thrust of this paper – from what I gather

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Could the idea be that a massive object is formed but that it can't ever quite collapse into a BH? I read the original papers but they're a teensy bit over my head. On 26 September 2014 14:07, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Liz – that was my

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On 9/25/2014 6:06 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 September 2014 08:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The singularity is an inference from general relativity extrapolated to arbitrarily short distances and high densities...where it cannot apply because it's

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Read more at: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist Researcher shows that black holes do not exist Black holes have long captured the public imagination and been the subject of popular culture, from Star Trek to Hollywood. They are the ultimate unknown – the blac...

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This appears to be saying that all the Hawking radiation that would be emitted by a BH over its lifetime actually comes out in one huge burst before the BH can finish collapsing. That would surely affect the characteristics of supernovae in which BHs are thought to form? ... The entire mass of the

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On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:21:52PM +1200, LizR wrote: This appears to be saying that all the Hawking radiation that would be emitted by a BH over its lifetime actually comes out in one huge burst before the BH can finish collapsing. That would surely affect the characteristics of supernovae in

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I just looked at. If black holes don't exist it's going to be a problem explaining what it is at the center of the Milky Way (and other galaxies) that has a four million solar masses. Brent On 9/24/2014 4:44 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Read more at: Researcher shows

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Sorry, see above. It was below when I started typing my response. :-) On 25 September 2014 14:18, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 September 2014 12:53, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:21:52PM +1200, LizR wrote: This appears to be saying that all

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On 25 September 2014 12:53, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:21:52PM +1200, LizR wrote: This appears to be saying that all the Hawking radiation that would be emitted by a BH over its lifetime actually comes out in one huge burst before the BH can