Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread meekerdb
On 1/30/2013 7:22 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any one person's Machiavellian scheme, Then perhaps you unaware of Joesph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard. rather I

Re: Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Terren Suydam Faith is a gift we are unworthy of. - Receiving the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 14:21:17 Subject: Re: Re: Hateful Hi Roger, What else is it? If you say it is the arbiter of morality, then that too can

Re: Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Terren Suydam
everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2013-01-30, 14:21:17 *Subject:* Re: Re: Hateful Hi Roger, What else is it? If you say it is the arbiter of morality, then that too can be framed in terms of group persistence. If you're talking about spirituality, whatever one means by that, it has

Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Terren Suydam
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:46 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/30/2013 7:22 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any one person's Machiavellian

Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/1/30 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 1/30/2013 12:06 AM, Kim Jones wrote: we do WHOSE will??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Are we still happy with our chosen values? K Hard for Gozer the Gozerian

Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Terren Suydam
Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any one person's Machiavellian scheme, rather I think religion (and other cultural institutions) have been selected for in the evolution of culture. I also

Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Terren Suydam Considering religion as a stabilizing social phenomenon is true, but that's not all it is. - Receiving the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 10:22:37 Subject: Re: Hateful Personally, my take on religion

Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Jan 2013, at 06:06, Kim Jones wrote: we do WHOSE will??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Of course it depends on what you mean by God. If God appears to be he Michelin Man, we have already a problem as the Michelin Man has a name, but

Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Terren Suydam
*Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2013-01-30, 10:22:37 *Subject:* Re: Hateful Personally, my take on religion is that it has been an extraordinarily successful means of organizing groups. I don't religion has ever been any one person'sē‡¤achiavellian scheme, rather

Re: Hateful

2013-01-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Kim Jones wrote: This is a pretty well-worn, oft-used, school prayer. Given it is recited or sung by the entire student body and staff at a good many schools and other institutions you would have to assume that it's all fundamentally good stuff. Teach us, good Lord,

Re: Hateful

2013-01-29 Thread Kim Jones
we do WHOSE will??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Are we still happy with our chosen values? K On 30/01/2013, at 4:01 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Kim Jones wrote: This is a pretty well-worn,

Re: Hateful

2013-01-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/30/2013 12:06 AM, Kim Jones wrote: we do WHOSE will??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Are we still happy with our chosen values? K Hard for Gozer the Gozerian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gozer#Gozer to be infinite, eternal, Omnisient,