On 12 Dec 2017, at 11:12, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 8:20 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017,
On 12/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 12-12-2017 02:28, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:54 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:24, Bruce Kellett wrote:
As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics is to
explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum
On 12/12/2017 9:46 pm, smitra wrote:
On 12-12-2017 02:20, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:39 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:11, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:51 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On
On 12-12-2017 02:41, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/11/2017 4:54 PM, smitra wrote:
As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics
is to
explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum
substrate, so that classical calculations actually get the
correct
answers in those
On 12-12-2017 02:20, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:39 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:11, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:51 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal
On 12-12-2017 02:28, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:54 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:24, Bruce Kellett wrote:
As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics is
to
explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum
substrate, so that classical
On 12/12/2017 8:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:25, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
> On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett
On 12/12/2017 8:26 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:02, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno
On 12/12/2017 8:20 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21
On 12 Dec 2017, at 09:35, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:03:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 12:29 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On
On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:41, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/11/2017 4:54 PM, smitra wrote:
As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics
is to
explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum
substrate, so that classical calculations actually get the correct
On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:25, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
> On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>> On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:02, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03,
On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Similarly, a
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 8:35:50 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:03:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On 12/12/2017 12:29 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2017
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:03:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>
> On 12/12/2017 12:29 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC,
On 12/12/2017 12:35 pm, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/11/2017 4:44 PM, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
...
Rubbish. The central point of contention on this thread is whether a
coin toss can be regarded as a classical event, with probabilities
given by ignorance of the
On 12/11/2017 6:02 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 12:29 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 12:29 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
>
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:29:17 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2017
On 12/11/2017 4:54 PM, smitra wrote:
As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics is to
explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum
substrate, so that classical calculations actually get the correct
answers in those classical situations. If you do not
On 12/11/2017 4:44 PM, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
...
Rubbish. The central point of contention on this thread is whether a
coin toss can be regarded as a classical event, with probabilities
given by ignorance of the initial conditions, or as a quantum event
with
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>
> On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
>> > On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>> >> On
On 12/12/2017 11:54 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:24, Bruce Kellett wrote:
As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics is to
explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum
substrate, so that classical calculations actually get the correct
answers in
On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
> On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>> On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>> On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38,
On 12/12/2017 11:39 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:11, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:51 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>
> On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
> > On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> >> On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >>> On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno
On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno
On 11-12-2017 23:24, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 10:30 pm, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 03:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 12:21 pm, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 00:55, Bruce Kellett wrote:
What you have to do if you want to claim that all chance outcomes
are
of quantum origin
On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Similarly, a shroedinger
On 11-12-2017 23:11, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 12/12/2017 1:51 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno
On 11/12/2017 10:30 pm, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 03:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 12:21 pm, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 00:55, Bruce Kellett wrote:
What you have to do if you want to claim that all chance outcomes are
of quantum origin is compare the relative magnitudes of
On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Similarly, a shroedinger car, once alive + dead, will never become
On 12/12/2017 1:51 am, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Similarly, a shroedinger car,
On 12/11/2017 12:11 PM, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 20:03, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/11/2017 3:48 AM, smitra wrote:
On 10-12-2017 23:09, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:42 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:18, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 4:00 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01,
On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 5:26:32 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:15 AM, wrote:
>
> >
>> The fundamental unproven assumption, and IMO the core fallacy of the MWI,
>> is the belief that what CAN occur, necessarily MUST will occur.
>>
>
> The
On 11-12-2017 20:03, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/11/2017 3:48 AM, smitra wrote:
On 10-12-2017 23:09, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:42 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:18, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 4:00 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44
On 12/11/2017 3:48 AM, smitra wrote:
On 10-12-2017 23:09, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:42 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:18, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 4:00 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017
On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Similarly, a shroedinger car, once alive + dead, will never become
On 11 Dec 2017, at 03:04, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 5:23 PM, smitra wrote:
On 10-12-2017 22:55, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:06 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 2:36 AM, smitra wrote:
Yes, it's a different argument but it's also
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Similarly, a shroedinger car, once alive + dead, will never
become a pure alive, or dead cat. It will only
On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 01:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:27 PM, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce
On 10-12-2017 23:09, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:42 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:18, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 4:00 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017
On 11-12-2017 03:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 11/12/2017 12:21 pm, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 00:55, Bruce Kellett wrote:
What you have to do if you want to claim that all chance outcomes are
of quantum origin is compare the relative magnitudes of quantum and
thermal fluctuations at room
On 11/12/2017 12:21 pm, smitra wrote:
On 11-12-2017 00:55, Bruce Kellett wrote:
What you have to do if you want to claim that all chance outcomes are
of quantum origin is compare the relative magnitudes of quantum and
thermal fluctuations at room temperature -- room temperature because
that is
On 12/10/2017 5:23 PM, smitra wrote:
On 10-12-2017 22:55, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:06 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 2:36 AM, smitra wrote:
Yes, it's a different argument but it's also generically correct.
But I do think for the
On 10-12-2017 22:55, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:06 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 2:36 AM, smitra wrote:
Yes, it's a different argument but it's also generically correct.
But I do think for the discussions in this list it doesn't matter
all
On 11-12-2017 00:55, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 10/12/2017 11:06 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 2:36 AM, smitra wrote:
Yes, it's a different argument but it's also generically correct.
But I do think for the discussions in this list it doesn't matter
all
On 12/10/2017 9:26 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:15 AM, >wrote:
>
The fundamental unproven assumption, and IMO the core fallacy of
the MWI, is the belief that what CAN occur, necessarily MUST will
On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Similarly, a shroedinger car, once alive + dead, will never become a
pure alive, or dead cat. It will only seems so for anyone looking at
the cat, in the
On 12/10/2017 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2017, at 01:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:27 PM, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal
On 12/10/2017 4:42 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:18, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 4:00 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017
On 12/10/2017 4:06 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 2:36 AM, smitra wrote:
Yes, it's a different argument but it's also generically correct.
But I do think for the discussions in this list it doesn't matter
all that much whether an initial single
On 09 Dec 2017, at 21:07, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 2:22 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:03, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:49 PM, smitra wrote:
It's not irrelevant if you don't have the information that
locates you in a sector where the uncertainties are indeed small
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:15 AM, wrote:
>
> The fundamental unproven assumption, and IMO the core fallacy of the MWI,
> is the belief that what CAN occur, necessarily MUST will occur.
>
The
fundamental
assumption of the MWI is that the
Schrodinger
Wave
On 09 Dec 2017, at 13:00, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08
On 09 Dec 2017, at 11:29, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:15, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:49 PM, smitra wrote:
If this were not true then each single conscious experience would
contain in it information about such things as the exact number
of atoms in the Earth, Sun etc. etc.
On 09 Dec 2017, at 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19,
On 09 Dec 2017, at 02:15, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:49 PM, smitra wrote:
If this were not true then each single conscious experience would
contain in it information about such things as the exact number of
atoms in the Earth, Sun etc. etc.
That sounds like a reductio against
On 09 Dec 2017, at 01:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:27 PM, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett
On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of
On 09-12-2017 21:18, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 4:00 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017
On 09-12-2017 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 2:36 AM, smitra wrote:
Yes, it's a different argument but it's also generically correct. But
I do think for the discussions in this list it doesn't matter all that
much whether an initial single branch will diverge into multiple
branches
On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 3:26:52 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>
> On 10/12/2017 10:02 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 6:19:20 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2017 12:01 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:54:39 PM
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 02:22:36PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> On 10/12/2017 12:36 pm, Brent Meeker wrote:
> > On 12/9/2017 1:38 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > >
> > > So, when you project the global quantum state on the subspace
> > > spanned by b
> >
> > I don't understand "subspace spanned by
On 10/12/2017 10:02 am, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 6:19:20 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 12/8/2017 12:01 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:54:39 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 8/12/2017 10:40 am, agrays...@gmail.com
On 10/12/2017 12:36 pm, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/9/2017 1:38 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
So, when you project the global quantum state on the subspace spanned
by b
I don't understand "subspace spanned by b" where b is a bitstring?
Does it mean the subspace for which b is true...when b is
On 12/9/2017 1:38 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
So, when you project the global quantum state on the subspace spanned by b
I don't understand "subspace spanned by b" where b is a bitstring? Does
it mean the subspace for which b is true...when b is interpreted in some
way in terms of the
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 6:19:20 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/8/2017 12:01 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:54:39 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On 8/12/2017 10:40 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:44:01 PM
On 9/12/2017 11:00 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec
On 12/9/2017 4:00 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec
On 12/9/2017 2:36 AM, smitra wrote:
Yes, it's a different argument but it's also generically correct. But
I do think for the discussions in this list it doesn't matter all that
much whether an initial single branch will diverge into multiple
branches due to effectively classical dynamics.
On 12/9/2017 2:22 AM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:03, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:49 PM, smitra wrote:
It's not irrelevant if you don't have the information that locates
you in a sector where the uncertainties are indeed small enough. You
have to start with the complete state in
On 09-12-2017 12:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce
On 09-12-2017 02:51, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 11:27 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 09-12-2017 02:15, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:49 PM, smitra wrote:
If this were not true then each single conscious experience would
contain in it information about such things as the exact number of
atoms in the Earth, Sun etc. etc.
That sounds like a reductio against the comp
On 09-12-2017 02:05, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:55 PM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 01:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:27 PM, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017
On 09-12-2017 02:03, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:49 PM, smitra wrote:
It's not irrelevant if you don't have the information that locates you
in a sector where the uncertainties are indeed small enough. You have
to start with the complete state in the bird's view, and then consider
the
On 9/12/2017 11:27 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives
On 9/12/2017 11:49 am, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal
On 12/8/2017 4:49 PM, smitra wrote:
If this were not true then each single conscious experience would
contain in it information about such things as the exact number of
atoms in the Earth, Sun etc. etc.
That sounds like a reductio against the comp theory of consciousness.
Brent
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On 12/8/2017 4:55 PM, smitra wrote:
On 09-12-2017 01:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:27 PM, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec
On 12/8/2017 4:49 PM, smitra wrote:
It's not irrelevant if you don't have the information that locates you
in a sector where the uncertainties are indeed small enough. You have
to start with the complete state in the bird's view, and then consider
the sector where you have some definite
On 09-12-2017 01:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/8/2017 4:27 PM, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 09-12-2017 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes
such
On 12/8/2017 4:27 PM, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives
On 08-12-2017 03:38, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 12/7/2017 4:43 PM, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes
such that the
On 08-12-2017 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes
such that the
On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes
such that the quantum uncertainties are
On 12/8/2017 12:01 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:54:39 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 8/12/2017 10:40 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:44:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
Yes, but only if the phase are
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:40, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:44:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Dec 2017, at 00:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 4:01:31 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
On 05 Dec 2017, at 11:32,
On 08 Dec 2017, at 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes
such that the quantum uncertainties are negligible compared to the
thermal randomness.
On 8/12/2017 7:01 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:54:39 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 8/12/2017 10:40 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:44:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
Yes, but only if the phase are
On 8/12/2017 6:26 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:50:41 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
On 1/12/2017 10:43 am, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:20:51 PM UTC-6,
agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, November 30, 2017
On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:54:39 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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> On 8/12/2017 10:40 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:44:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> Yes, but only if the phase are indeed different at each slits, I would
>> say. The
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:50:41 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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> On 1/12/2017 10:43 am, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:20:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com
> wrote:
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>> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:16:07 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
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On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 3:45:26 AM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM,
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>> The weak case for the MWI stands on its own; nothing to do with string
>> theory. In the latter, if you believe it, there are some number, possibly
On 8/12/2017 11:46 am, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote:
On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes
such that the
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