Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 14, 2013 12:13:43 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Oct 2013, at 17:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:05:46 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Saturda

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2013, at 17:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:05:46 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Yes, but you se

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:58:03 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 04:25:50PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 13 Oct 2013, at 12:24, Russell Standish wrote: > > > > >How do we know that those 3 hypostases exhaust the possibilities for > > >logics contain

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-14 Thread John Mikes
Right on, Brent! *"**Emergence is a description of how we think about our models of the world - not something in the world. So Bruno has a theory in which some parts are true but incommunicable. He identifies these with qualia because that is (supposedly) a characteristic of qualia. That's actu

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:05:46 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> Yes, but you see, even the food we get from

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 23:58, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 04:25:50PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2013, at 12:24, Russell Standish wrote: How do we know that those 3 hypostases exhaust the possibilities for logics containing true but incommunicable sentences? Who

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-13 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 04:25:50PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 13 Oct 2013, at 12:24, Russell Standish wrote: > > >How do we know that those 3 hypostases exhaust the possibilities for > >logics containing true but incommunicable sentences? > > Who ever said that they exhaust them? > > On

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 12:24, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:05:46AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Yes, but you see,

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-13 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:05:46AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > >On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > >On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > >>Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the rest

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the restaurant, is delicious. Why would it be delicious, assuming COMP. How could the p

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the restaurant, is delicious. > Why would it be delicious, assuming COMP. How could the primary modalities > of things be good or

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-12 Thread meekerdb
On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the restaurant, is delicious. Why would it be delicious, assuming COMP. How could the primary modalities of things be good or bad assuming COMP? I know most people here think Craig is a hand waver, but I

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:34:42 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > > Hey Craig, thanks for the feedback. Please refer to below: > On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:10:39 AM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 11, 2013 2:58:13 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >>> >

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2013, at 07:00, meekerdb wrote: On 10/11/2013 9:44 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Sometimes, Bruno, I get the feeling as though you are a chef at a restaurant with a wonderful menu, but whenever anyone orders an item on it, all you can do is give them exactly the same picture of t

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2013, at 06:44, freqflyer07281972 wrote: On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:18:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Oct 2013, at 08:58, freqflyer07281972 wrote: The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic complex, no matter how mutually contradictory

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-12 Thread freqflyer07281972
Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the restaurant, is delicious. Why would it be delicious, assuming COMP. How could the primary modalities of things be good or bad assuming COMP? I know most people here think Craig is a hand waver, but I honestly cannot understand how qualia emerge fro

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-11 Thread meekerdb
On 10/11/2013 9:44 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Sometimes, Bruno, I get the feeling as though you are a chef at a restaurant with a wonderful menu, but whenever anyone orders an item on it, all you can do is give them exactly the same picture of the item they ordered from the menu, but never the

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-11 Thread freqflyer07281972
On Friday, October 11, 2013 2:58:13 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic > complex, no matter how mutually contradictory such impulses may appear to > be. From this process springs the idea of a multitude of "me"'s. >

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-11 Thread freqflyer07281972
On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:18:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Oct 2013, at 08:58, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic > complex, no matter how mutually contradictory such impulses may appear to > be. From this p

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-11 Thread freqflyer07281972
Hey Craig, thanks for the feedback. Please refer to below: On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:10:39 AM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 11, 2013 2:58:13 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic >> complex,

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Oct 2013, at 08:58, freqflyer07281972 wrote: The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic complex, no matter how mutually contradictory such impulses may appear to be. From this process springs the idea of a multitude of "me"'s. The impulses in question

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, October 11, 2013 2:58:13 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic > complex, no matter how mutually contradictory such impulses may appear to > be. From this process springs the idea of a multitude of "me"'s. >

The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-10 Thread freqflyer07281972
The vocable "I" becomes attached to each impulse that arises in a psychic complex, no matter how mutually contradictory such impulses may appear to be. From this process springs the idea of a multitude of "me"'s. The impulses in question are affective, so that the inferential "I" is affective