Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-26 Thread Roger Clough
Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I exist or do not exist. 3. That computers can be conscious or not. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/26/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Alle

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Three things that one cannot prove or disprove > > 1. That God exists or does not exist. > > 2. That I exist or do not exist. > > 3. That computers can be conscious or not. It's possible to prove that compute

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-27 Thread meekerdb
'preponderance of the evidence' or 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. Science doesn't even to pretend to 'prove' things, although it can prove some theories are false in the 'beyond reasonable doubt' sense. Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1.

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread meekerdb
On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific method: they observe other people, they create a model in which other people are like themselves, they test the model and

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Dec 2012, at 01:38, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I exist or do not exist. 3. That computers can be conscious or not. It's possib

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread John Mikes
Stathis!!! (See after your remark) - John M On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be > proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be > simulated by a computer. >

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread John Mikes
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:41 PM, John Mikes wrote: > Stathis!!! (See after your remark) - John M > > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be >> proved that the physical movement of the p

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific method: they observe other people, they create a model in which other people are

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread meekerdb
On 12/28/2012 4:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific method: they observe other people,

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/28/2012 7:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scient

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
ly near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-28, 13:29:55 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method t

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 7:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be >> proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be >> simulated by a computer. > > > Assuming you can prove consciousness is related to those physical mo

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM, John Mikes wrote: > Stathis!!! (See after your remark) - John M > > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: >> >> >> It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be >> proved that the physical movement of the p

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/29/2012 7:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 7:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 Roger Clough wrote: > Three things that one cannot prove or disprove > 1. That God exists or does not exist. > If God exists then His existence should be obvious to a blind man in a fog bank, but it is not and the only reason that could be is that God has engineer

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread meekerdb
On 12/29/2012 4:56 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be simulated by a computer. Assuming you can prove consc

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread meekerdb
On 12/29/2012 5:05 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM, John Mikes wrote: Stathis!!! (See after your remark) - John M On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved t

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Three things that one cannot prove or disprove > > 1. That God exists or does not exist. > > 2. That I exist or do not exist. > Proof that you exist: If you are reading this you exist. Q.E.D. Or at least it is pr

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Dec 2012, at 21:15, meekerdb wrote: On 12/29/2012 4:56 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be simulate

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2013-01-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Dec 2012, at 00:22, Roger Clough wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I exist or do not exist. 3. That computers can be conscious or not. 4. That there is a primary physical reality or not. You forget the main one

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-27 Thread Roger Clough
one cannot prove or disprove The second one empirically proven, if I talk about myself. But I can't prove that the other guys exists or not. -- On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Three things that one cannot prove or disprove > > 1. That God exists or do

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Roger Clough
thing-list Time: 2012-12-27, 20:11:51 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On 12/27/2012 4:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote This is a silly game. There are different kinds and standards of proof. Mathematical

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-28, 13:29:55 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific me

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Roger Clough
-12-29, 07:56:07 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be >> proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Roger Clough
time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-29, 10:38:18 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On 12/29/2012 7:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Dec 2

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-30 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-29, 17:05:08 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. Th