Re: Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-07 Thread Kim Jones
On 07/12/2008, at 4:29 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: (The Court Jester wrote): What you cannot say is what is determining the order in the chaos once it arrives. That's closer to what I mean. 2 men start to dig a hole. They are instructed to make it reach a depth of 5 feet. One of them

Re: Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-06 Thread Kim Jones
On 06/12/2008, at 6:18 PM, A. Wolf wrote: I guess what I am on about is a bit closer to the 80s idea of chaos - something that is inherently unpredictable; at least if you adopt the stance of always launching your prediction from a single present - the one you happen to find yourself

Re: Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-06 Thread Brent Meeker
Kim Jones wrote: On 06/12/2008, at 6:18 PM, A. Wolf wrote: I guess what I am on about is a bit closer to the 80s idea of chaos - something that is inherently unpredictable; at least if you adopt the stance of always launching your prediction from a single present - the one you happen

Re: Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-06 Thread Kim Jones
On 07/12/2008, at 3:00 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: Kim Jones wrote: On 06/12/2008, at 6:18 PM, A. Wolf wrote: I guess what I am on about is a bit closer to the 80s idea of chaos - something that is inherently unpredictable; at least if you adopt the stance of always launching your

Re: Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-06 Thread Brent Meeker
Kim Jones wrote: On 07/12/2008, at 3:00 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: Kim Jones wrote: On 06/12/2008, at 6:18 PM, A. Wolf wrote: I guess what I am on about is a bit closer to the 80s idea of chaos - something that is inherently unpredictable; at least if you adopt the

Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-05 Thread Kim Jones
Notes from the Court Jester: Math can describe the universe as it is - our most powerful mental ability; no question about it You have to be right at every step of the way when you use math - inconsistency points to a lack of logical connection between steps and is tantamount to error

Re: Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-05 Thread A. Wolf
Can mathematics describe an EVOLVING universe as accurately as it can describe a static one? Newton's laws and Einstein's relativity and all the subtle variants on these help to do so. Bruno's comp hyp seems to address an 'eternal' if not somewhat static reality that might even be taken as

Re: Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-05 Thread Kim Jones
On 06/12/2008, at 12:59 PM, A. Wolf wrote: Can mathematics describe an EVOLVING universe as accurately as it can describe a static one? Newton's laws and Einstein's relativity and all the subtle variants on these help to do so. Bruno's comp hyp seems to address an 'eternal' if not

Re: Where Math and Logic are Insufficient

2008-12-05 Thread A. Wolf
I guess what I am on about is a bit closer to the 80s idea of chaos - something that is inherently unpredictable; at least if you adopt the stance of always launching your prediction from a single present - the one you happen to find yourself in. I think you mean randomness, not chaos.