Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-06 Thread Patrick Leahy
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: Norman Samish wrote: If the universe started contracting, its entropy would get smaller, which nature doesn't allow in large-scale systems. This seems to me an argument in support of perpetual expansion. From what I've read, if the universe began

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-06 Thread Jesse Mazer
Norman Samish wrote: If the universe started contracting, its entropy would get smaller, which nature doesn't allow in large-scale systems. This seems to me an argument in support of perpetual expansion. From what I've read, if the universe began contracting this would not necessarily ca

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-06 Thread Norman Samish
an? Why? How can 10^119 particles at an extremely hot temperature originate from nothing? So many questions - so little time. Norman - Original Message - From: "Hal Ruhl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:46 AM Subjec

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-02 Thread Norman Samish
m gravity. - Original Message - From: "scerir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: objections to QTI Norman Samish wrote: This scenario that you are discussing reminds me of this interview with Julian Barb

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Saibal, Hi Bruno, Patric has already explained Barbour's position (I didn't read his book). Separating space from time is not very natural... I agree. If only because of special relativity. But the very notion of space is quite complex. It is a reason why I find "loop gravity" more co

Re: Julian Barbour (was: Re: objections to QTI)

2005-06-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juin-05, à 18:49, Patrick Leahy a écrit : I read his book a year or so ago, so may be a bit hazy, but: Pour Bruno: he definitely does not want to talk about space-time capsules. Partly this is motivated by his metaphysical ideas about time, partly by the technicalities of the 3+1 (i.e

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Saibal Mitra
phenomena. Saibal - Original Message - From: "Bruno Marchal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Saibal Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Norman Samish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 03:24 PM Subject: Re: objections to QTI L

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread aet.radal ssg
- Original Message - From: "Bruno Marchal" To: "Saibal Mitra" Subject: Re: objections to QTI Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:24:56 +0200 > > > Le 01-juin-05, à 15:00, Saibal Mitra a écrit : > > > Hi Norman, > >   > > I entirely

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread scerir
Norman Samish This scenario that you are discussing reminds me of this interview with Julian Barbour where he proposes that "time" is an illusion. This reminds me of a good paper by Carlo Rovelli (about quantum gravity, GR, space-time, etc.) http://ws5.com/copy/time2.pdf in which he suggests

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi All: In my view life is a component of the fastest path to heat death (equilibrium) in universes that have suitable thermodynamics. Thus there would be a built in "pressure" for such universes to contain life. Further I like Stephen Gould's idea that complex life arises because evolution

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi All: In my view life is a component of the fastest path to heat death (equilibrium) in universes that have suitable thermodynamics. Thus there would be a built in "pressure" for such universes to contain life. Further I like Stephen Gould's idea that complex life arises because evolution

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread George Levy
Message- From: George Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:01 PM To: everything-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: objections to QTI Hi Hal, Remember that the chain of events that must lead you to be 1000 years old must be perfectly logical and consistent. A good science fi

Julian Barbour (was: Re: objections to QTI)

2005-06-01 Thread Patrick Leahy
I read his book a year or so ago, so may be a bit hazy, but: Pour Bruno: he definitely does not want to talk about space-time capsules. Partly this is motivated by his metaphysical ideas about time, partly by the technicalities of the 3+1 (i.e. space+time, not persons!) approach to GR and the

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juin-05, à 15:00, Saibal Mitra a écrit : Hi Norman,   I entirely agree with Julian Barbour. A fundamental notion of time would act as a pointer indicating what is real (things that are happening now) and what was real and what will be real. Most of us here on the everything list believe tha

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Saibal Mitra
ites: http://www.hillscapital.com/antispam/ - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Norman Samish Aan: everything-list@eskimo.com Verzonden: Monday, May 30, 2005 06:04 PM Onderwerp: Re: objections to QTI Hi Saibal and Stathis,     This scenario that you are discussing reminds

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal, It is possible that "miracles" will be as uncommon and surprising in your QTI-guaranteed future as they seem to be today. If you live to 1000, unlikely as it sounds at present, shouldn't you expect it to happen in the *least* unlikely way? This may involve advances in medicine initially,

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-31 Thread Norman Samish
Hi Brent, There's no doubt that my imagination is not up to the task of coming up with reasonable explanations of all that I see. I could never imagine relativity, quantum mechanics, black holes, singularities, the Big Bang, infinite space, the multiverse, and "Günter Wächtershäuser's recip

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-31 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Norman Samish wrote: [Responding to Russell Standish] This article, as you point out, asserts "that the rapidity of biogenesis on Earth suggests that life is common in the Universe." This assertion is shown to be probably correct with some reasonable assumptions. One of the assumptions is tha

RE: objections to QTI

2005-05-31 Thread Brent Meeker
>-Original Message- >From: Norman Samish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:46 AM >To: everything-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: objections to QTI > > >Dear Prof. Standish, > >Thanks for the quibbles, which sound reasonable. However,

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-31 Thread George Levy
Hi Hal, Remember that the chain of events that must lead you to be 1000 years old must be perfectly logical and consistent. A good science fiction writer would have no problem weaving a plot that could bring you to such a situation. One could evoke living in a simulator, or the appearance of

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-31 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:46:08PM -0700, Norman Samish wrote: > Dear Prof. Standish, > > Thanks for the quibbles, which sound reasonable. However, I'm going to > stand my ground. > > You gave this reference about life's origins. (I found it at > http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0209/02

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread Norman Samish
Dear Prof. Standish, Thanks for the quibbles, which sound reasonable. However, I'm going to stand my ground. You gave this reference about life's origins. (I found it at http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0209/0209385.pdf) This article, as you point out, asserts "that the rapidity of bio

Re: objections to QTI - erratum

2005-05-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
I should have said, "you could *not* just take any files from any folder and cobble together an individual history..." For example, the version of me that got this sentence right the first time has split off and spawned a whole new set of files/OM's, none of which can be incorporated into the h

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
your age relative to everyone else, then maybe it is an argument against MWI? --Stathis Papaioannou Van: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: Verzonden: Monday, May 30, 2005 04:02 PM Onderwerp: objections to QTI > I thought the following analogy might clarify the p

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread Russell Standish
Minor quibbles, which don't actually detract from your argument: On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 01:19:28PM -0700, Norman Samish wrote: > 1) How did life originate if not through a miraculous circumstance? In > other branches of the multiverse, perhaps most of them, there is no life. There is evidence

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
- Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: Verzonden: Monday, May 30, 2005 04:02 PM Onderwerp: objections to QTI > I thought the following analogy might clarify the point I was trying to make in rec

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread Norman Samish
Norman Samish - Original Message - From: ""Hal Finney"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: objections to QTI Let me pose the puzzle like this, which is a form we have discussed before: Suppose you found yourself extremel

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread "Hal Finney"
Let me pose the puzzle like this, which is a form we have discussed before: Suppose you found yourself extremely old, due to a near-miraculous set of circumstances that had kept you alive. Time after time when you were about to die of old age or some other cause, something happened and you were a

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread Norman Samish
s if you adopt the time ordered picture), implies that for the most part of your life you should find yourself in an a-typical state (e.g. very old while almost everyone else is very young).    -Saibal-- Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: "Stath

Re: objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread Saibal Mitra
S attacks on Spam-Websites: http://www.hillscapital.com/antispam/ - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: Verzonden: Monday, May 30, 2005 04:02 PM Onderwerp: objections to QTI > I thought the following analogy might clarify the point I

objections to QTI

2005-05-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
I thought the following analogy might clarify the point I was trying to make in recent posts to the "Many Pasts? Not according to QM" thread, addressing one objection to QTI. You are a player in the computer game called the Files of Life. In this game the computer generates consecutively numb