On Sat, 2014-08-30 at 02:44 +0200, Ángel González wrote:
> I'm not so sure. The user can be taught to use the ./configure && make
> && sudo make install as a black box, just like running apt-get or yum
> install.
The user can also be taught to build her/his nuclear power plant "as a
blackbox, just
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> I'd disagree, a *user* cannot "create their own updated version from
> sources". A user does not build software; developers do. If you are
> compiling stuff - you are a developer, albeit possibly a very bad one.
I'm not so sure. The user can be taught to use the ./c
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 18:45 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> That is exactly why Evolution is a shrinking community and unable to
> attract new devs in.
We've all heard more than enough from you on this topic.
I am now moderating your posts to this mailing list.
You've earned it.
Matthew Barnes
_
ever wanting to help you or
to get involved.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Pete Biggs
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 18:06
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
a mailing list for helping users
;evolution-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 17:21
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 16:35 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I thought that was one of the myths about Gnu&Linux.
>
> Several times i have seen people saying that packa
I'm not convinced that a mailing list for helping users with Evolution
is really the place to be teaching someone about packaging software ...
But nevertheless...
>
>
> Several times i have seen people saying that packages in Gnu&Linux
> need a separate new compile for each individual distro.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Adam Tauno Williams
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 15:57
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:52 +0200, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
> > Von: "Alberto Ruiz"
> > In the meantime, even
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:07 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 15:10 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> > Is less than ideal, it means a lot of trouble for application
> > developers:
> > a) If you write an app, you have to either learn how to package your app
> > for every distro
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 16:35 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I thought that was one of the myths about Gnu&Linux.
>
> Several times i have seen people saying that packages in Gnu&Linux
> need a separate new compile for each individual distro. However all
> the links i gave to other projects
list@gnome.org
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 16:07
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 15:10 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> Is less than ideal, it means a lot of trouble for application
> developers:
> a) If you write an app, you have to either learn how to package
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 15:10 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> Is less than ideal, it means a lot of trouble for application
> developers:
> a) If you write an app, you have to either learn how to package your app
> for every distro or convince them to package and maintain the package
> for you. In pract
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:52 +0200, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
> > Von: "Alberto Ruiz"
> > In the meantime, even if less than ideal, we have to cope with the fact
> > that it's distros who distribute Evolution.
> That actually _is_ the ideal way.
> Someone writes a nice programme. Someone else package
Is less than ideal, it means a lot of trouble for application
developers:
a) If you write an app, you have to either learn how to package your app
for every distro or convince them to package and maintain the package
for you. In practice it means months before your app can hit the users.
Compare t
> Von: "Alberto Ruiz"
> In the meantime, even if less than ideal, we have to cope with the fact
> that it's distros who distribute Evolution.
That actually _is_ the ideal way.
Someone writes a nice programme. Someone else packages it for their
distribution A and again somebody else for distrib
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 17:55 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> One of the frequent problems on this list is with Ubuntu users using
> some ancient version of Evolution and clearly the Ubunutu package
> maintainers are not going to fix it by putting a very recent version
> in their repos. I guess that is w
JFTR every distro is free to have it's own policy and usually they've
got reasons for doing things the way they do it. FWIW I'm an Arch Linux
user and AFAIK it always supports the latest version of Evolution
available as binary by a package, this at least s the policy, while the
default packages sh
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 19:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 11:57 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> > The question would then be "how do we increase the teams 'man'power".
> > However it is becoming clearer and clearer that the opposite is true.
> > This project seems keen to exclude ou
Hi Tom,
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 14:24 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> 1. Easier to download and install.
> People here obviously find it easy to compile but most people out
> there haven't got a clue and find it too scary as a prospect. Much
> easier to download and install a competitor such as Thund
>
> 1. Easier to download and install.
Yea gods, how many times do we have to go round this. Evo *is* very
easy to install, it's in virtually every distros default repository.
How much easier does it have to be.
Evolution is a well behaved, integral part of Gnome 3. As such it
relies on ma
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From: Andre Klapper
To: evolution-list
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 13:25
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
Hi Tom,
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 11:57 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> I do remember it well. I was wondering if you did.
Likely. But why did you ask if you knew the answer al
Hi Tom,
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 11:57 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> I do remember it well. I was wondering if you did.
Likely. But why did you ask if you knew the answer already?
> The line that stuck with me was "The team's manpower is still severely
> limited " and i foolishly thought that was so
> is your intend trolling?
I'm beginning to think trolling is indeed the underlying intent.
P.
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Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 11:24
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 10:38 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Lets look at another tack. Why is Evo having to drop from a 6 monthly
> to a 1/year release?
Check the mailing list archives if you want to know
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 10:38 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Lets look at another tack. Why is Evo having to drop from a 6 monthly
> to a 1/year release?
Check the mailing list archives if you want to know why.
> Does it lack personnel?
Always, as with every FLOSS project.
> Do the devs often fi
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> From: Andre Klapper
> To: evolution-list
> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 9:42
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
>
>
> On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 01:43 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
>
> > Why does Evo have a gui interface? Why not just stay with the
&
tions instead of doing coding? Why aren't more
normal users able to help users with common questions?
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Andre Klapper
To: evolution-list
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 9:42
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Mon, 2013-0
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 01:43 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Why does Evo have a gui interface? Why not just stay with the
> command-line?
Please start a NEW THREAD when having a new topic. Your question has
nothing to do with "downloads page".
To answer your question: Because Evolution is a MUA[1]
tion-list
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 0:30
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 23:19 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> 3 would cover the whole lot of them.
I won't answer all the angry "Why don't you list my favorite distro?"
emails. I mean, it&
On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 23:19 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> 3 would cover the whole lot of them.
I won't answer all the angry "Why don't you list my favorite distro?"
emails. I mean, it's the internet. Fixable via wikipages though.
> All those other projects and many, many others can manage it.
:)
From: Andre Klapper
To: evolution-list
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 12:44 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> When i visit any of those links that i listed i get a page that lets
> me download a Gnu&Linux version
On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 12:44 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> When i visit any of those links that i listed i get a page that lets
> me download a Gnu&Linux version.
Same for http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/download.shtml - download,
compile from source code to binary, enjoy.
Again: No, we
From: Andre Klapper
To: evolution-list
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2013, 11:02
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 22:13 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Many projects have a download page, for example;
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/f
From: Ralf Mardorf
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 13:41
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
Arch Linux does use a real rolling release model, not such a pseudo
thingy as Debian calls rolling release, so it's always the cu
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 19:49 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> I'm not on Saucy now, but I'm sure that offers evo 3.8.x.
Correct, and you can look that up:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/saucy/evolution
> Saucy (13.10, to be released in mid-October) still uses the evolution
> calendaring functions for
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 22:13 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Many projects have a download page, for example;
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
> http://www.libreoffice.org/download
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/thunderbird/
> http://www.gimp.org/downloads/
> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/down
> Many projects have a download page, for example;
So does Evo:
https://projects.gnome.org/evolution/download.shtml
but presumably what you are getting at is that Evolution doesn't provide
binary packages. In fact if you look at other Gnome projects, very few
provide binaries, some have be
then upgraded my OSes
then would i have to recompile again?
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Patrick O'Callaghan
To: Andre Klapper
Cc: evolution-list
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 9:37
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On 22 August 2013 22
From: N B Day
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 20:19
Subject: Re: [Evolution] downloads page
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 15:30 -0300, BAPR wrote:
> Ubuntu is presently shipping with evolution 3.6.4-0ubuntu1
>
Are you sure abou
From: Andre Klapper
It's cute to dream of educated users who always take a look at the
documentation first before asking on a list. Reality is different.
andre
Hi :)
In a previous thread the best answer pointed me to the right place in the right
docum
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 16:50 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> What they, hopefully, aim for is to produce good quality software that
> people find useful and would *prefer* to use. If this, or any other
> software, doesn't meet your needs, or even if the (free) mailing list
> annoys you, then people are
>
>
> So, if there is something we could do to make it easier for people to
> use Evolution in Ubuntu LTSes then it might
>
> 1. reduce the number of confused and unhelpful questions on this
> list
The concept of an "unhelpful question" is a bit strange.
>
> 2. increase the number of pe
On 24 August 2013 12:27, Tom Davies wrote:
> Wrt top-posting, the vast majority of people use top-posting almost
> exclusively and have no idea it's even possible to do anything else so they
> don't even scroll down threads to find answers and just assume there has
> been some sort of mistake. M
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 12:27 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> So, if there is something we could do to make it easier for people to
> use Evolution in Ubuntu LTSes then it might
>
> 1. reduce the number of confused and unhelpful questions on this
> list
> 2. increase the number of people using Evolut
Hi :)
A lot of people stay with the LTS releases and so will be staying with the
12.04 for a few years. Some might upgrade to the 14.04 at the end of April
2014 but many others will be sticking with the 12.04 for another 2 years after
that.
Like it or not Ubuntu is a popular "gateway distro
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:28 -0300, BAPR wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 12:19 -0700, N B Day wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 15:30 -0300, BAPR wrote:
> > >
> > Are you sure about this? Evolution is no longer the *default* MUA in
> > Ubuntu, but reasonably up-to-date versions continue to be offered
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 12:19 -0700, N B Day wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 15:30 -0300, BAPR wrote:
> >
> Are you sure about this? Evolution is no longer the *default* MUA in
> Ubuntu, but reasonably up-to-date versions continue to be offered in the
> repositories. I'm not on Saucy now, but I'm su
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 12:19 -0700, N B Day wrote:
> I've never had the slightest problem using PPAs hosted on well known
> places
While I'm an Arch user, I try to contribute to Ubuntu Studio, when ever
possible (this tend to be "nothing", my apologies). PPAs are a risk, but
I agree, that what you
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 15:30 -0300, BAPR wrote:
> If I may jump in here?
>
> I am a brand new Linux user who is starting his journey with the latest
> Ubuntu.
>
> Ubuntu is presently shipping with evolution 3.6.4-0ubuntu1
>
> As a total neophyte attempting to get comfortable with Linux via Ubuntu
If I may jump in here?
I am a brand new Linux user who is starting his journey with the latest
Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is presently shipping with evolution 3.6.4-0ubuntu1
As a total neophyte attempting to get comfortable with Linux via Ubuntu,
and given that Ubuntu will no longer incorporate Evo in their
Arch Linux does use a real rolling release model, not such a pseudo
thingy as Debian calls rolling release, so it's always the current
release, resp. too keep Arch stable, stuff first is in a testing
repository, so there might be a short delay. I don't know if apps like
Evolution are in testing too
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 09:37 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Of course, that doesn't prevent interested parties from maintaining
> such a download site (maybe they could call it Friends of Evolution)
> but that would depend on volunteers willing to build new versions as
> they appear. Sounds lik
On 22 August 2013 22:01, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Ubuntu is one out of hundreds of Linux distributions out there, and
> there are no plans to maintain some download location list for them, or
> to deal with every single distribution that decides to not ship
> Evolution by default, or to deliberatel
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 17:55 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Trying to replicate ydays success i found it quite difficult to find
> how to download Evolution.
You go to the Software Management application of your Linux distribution
and enable it. That's the easiest way ever and the same for every
dis
Hi :)
Trying to replicate ydays success i found it quite difficult to find how to
download Evolution.
It might help to have a link on this page
https://help.gnome.org/about/
or somewhere nearby, or have a heading along with the others at the top or
bottom of the page even if clicking it take
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