Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-21 Thread Edgar Matzinger
Hi Art, As an editor, it is worse than Outlook (which is worse than anything True. else) because it prohibits (not merely discourages) trimming and bottom posting. Nonsense, outlook only discourages bottom posting. You can easily edit/trim your post before sending it off. I do so

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-21 Thread Art Alexion
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 08:24 -0400, Edgar Matzinger wrote: Hi Art, As an editor, it is worse than Outlook (which is worse than anything True. else) because it prohibits (not merely discourages) trimming and bottom posting. Nonsense, outlook only discourages bottom posting. You

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-21 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 09:46 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 08:24 -0400, Edgar Matzinger wrote: Hi Art, As an editor, it is worse than Outlook (which is worse than anything True. else) because it prohibits (not merely discourages) trimming and bottom posting.

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:57 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: They get confused and it makes more work for me to try and explain it. 90% of all users I email use top post except for mailing lists. You can minimize that confusion with proper trimming. With Evo (to get this back on topic), trimming

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') and a good text editor (like 'vim'), as I do. Matthias, I am clueless as to why you monitor and participate in this list devoted to Evo if you use mutt and vim, and

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:57 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: They get confused and it makes more work for me to try and explain it. 90% of all users I email use top post except for mailing lists. You can minimize that confusion with proper trimming. With Evo (to get this back on topic),

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of everything. Am I the only one getting that's getting a *really* bad feeling about the long-term

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of everything. Am I the only one getting that's getting a *really* bad feeling about the long-term

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 03:28:53 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') and a good text editor (like 'vim'), as I do. Matthias, I am clueless as to why you

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Reid Thompson
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:43 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Ofc, Evo behaves better than OutLook and I know that I can mark text before hitting reply (but only one part of the old text).

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Ben May
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:41 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of everything. Am I the only one

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
The whole point of my suggestion is that I like choice, as do a lot of others. We'll NEVER get the bottom-posters to agree that anything other than bottom-posting is acceptable, and you'll NEVER get people who aren't aware of the argument or who are agnostic to its outcome to follow all the

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread bgzgnome
Matthias Apitz wrote: Only one example: with .,$dCR i.e. with 5 key strokes I can remove all from the actual line until the end of the text. An with one key 'u' I get it back. I love vim! Just wanted to make sure I clarified that first. And, I didn't know about .,$dCR - very cool. I've

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 16:07 -0400, bgzgn...@sf.porterfield.net wrote: delete to end is hold Shift and Ctrl then press and release End then press Del. Four keys vs 5. I can do it it with 3 -- 2, if you count combos as 1. Shift+End,Del Undo it, Ctrl+z. Moreover, it works like every other text

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:43 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 03:28:53 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') and a good text editor

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:20:51 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: I can do it it with 3 -- 2, if you count combos as 1. Shift+End,Del Undo it, Ctrl+z. Moreover, it works like every other text editor I use so I don't need the additional step of looking up an arcane key combo.

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Sean
Reid Thompson wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 16:07 -0400, bgzgn...@sf.porterfield.net wrote: Matthias Apitz wrote: try dG Wow, that's even better! Totally OT now, but I love vim more and more. :) -- Sean ___ Evolution-list mailing list

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:23:28 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Matthais, Weren't you the one chastising me for using a work-mandated Blackberry? Don't know,

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of everything. Am I the only one

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread George Reeke
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 22:34 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:23:28 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Matthais, Weren't you the one

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:35:56 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: I thought the OpenMoko/Neo phones were merely theoretical, because, until someone on this list mentioned one, I have never heard of an actual sighting. I use an Openmoko FR as my daily and only mobile phone.

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:51 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:43 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Ofc, Evo behaves better than OutLook and I know that I can mark