Hi, that is good to hear. Pine is widely used by blind and other handicap
people, because it works well with such access software asspeakup which
given spoken feedback to what is displayed on the screen. It would be a
shame if Mandrake removed the rpm for pine conciddering how
accessible and how useful it has been from a Linux accessibility
standpoint.
The college I recently attended also widely used pine in their comp labs,
and I don't really see pine's useage going down in the future.
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, David Rankin wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for the quick response, that's good information that I was not
> aware of. I'm certainly glad that Pine will remain part of the distribution
> even if it is shuffled to a different disk.
>
> Mark Crispin wrote:
>
> > The issue with the "restrictive" license agreement boils down to one major
> > issue: if someone wishes to distribute a modified version of Pine, they
> > have to ask UW for permission first.
> >
> > Put another way, UW claims control over what is distributed with the name
> > "Pine". It's alright to distribute unmodified Pine; it's alright to
> > distribute patches to modify Pine. But if you want to distribute a
> > modified Pine, you have to ask first.
> >
> > One would consider this to be a matter of common courtesy.
> >
> > We contacted Mandrake about this very question a few months ago. In part,
> > the answer from Denis Havlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> stated:
> >
> > > [Pine] won't be distributed with a "core distribution" ("download" or
> > > "GPL" edition) in the future, but I don't think it can be completely
> > > dropped either.
> > >
> > > In fact, I'm 100% sure that we WILL distribute pine one way or another,
> > > because I'm the one in charge of MandrakeClub, and thus have a
> > > possibility to add rpms of 'non-free' software to MandrakeClub download
> > > area as long as I don't do anything illegal. Stuff we have in 'Club'
> > > downloads area should also end up on our 'Commercial CDs', so they will
> > > be distributed with our packs, and once the RPMs are done, every club
> > > member can download them. In case the licence allows it (pine licence
> > > does), they are also free to further dissemenate them in any way they
> > > see fit, so I don't think we'll see a real shortage of pine RPMs for
> > > mandrake in a near future.
> >
> > In other words, Mandrake told us that they will continue to distribute
> > Pine as before, just not as part of their "core GPL software"
> > distribution. In the Mandrake distribution which I have, there is a disk
> > of non-GPL freeware which every person who purchases the Mandrake CD-ROM
> > distribution gets. I assume that their plan is to move Pine to that
> > CD-ROM.
> >
> > Pine will still included with Mandrake, just on a different CD-ROM.
> >
> > If Mandrake's policy has subsequently changed, they haven't told us.
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, David Rankin wrote:
> > > The following is from the mandrake mailing list. It would appear
> > > there are a LOT of pine users that will be alienated.
> > >
> > > ********************************
> > >
> > > > 3. I could not locate the pine package anywhere on the disks.
> > >
> > > It's been removed because the University of Washington, its owners,
> > > introduced a homebrewed licence which is more restrictive than GPL or
> > > similar.
> > >
> > > (Mandrakesoft is _very_ strict on this issue).
> > >
> > > ********************************
> > >
> > > Now what motivation could you have for crafting a restrictive
> > > license agreement that would cause the major Linux distribution to drop
> > > Pine? Pine is a great mailer with a loyal following and its
> > > non-inclusion in the major distribution will be missed.
> > >
> > > --
> > > David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E.
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> >
> > -- Mark --
> >
> > http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
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>
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> David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E.
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>
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