[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: According to Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, TM-style enlightenment is actually of form of induced psychosis. Oh, and Robin Woodsworth Carlsen is definitely the go-to person on the causes of psychosis. (That's why we always use his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count

2011-06-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jun 04 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 11 00:00:00 2011 272 messages as of (UTC) Wed Jun 08 00:06:21 2011 33 authfriend jst...@panix.com 20 sparaig

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread emptybill
This is not a definition but rather an interpretation. Try faithfulness' ... a present-tense definition of shraddha. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: I've found an interesting alternative definition: Willingness to surrender to dharma --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread emptybill
The Shank tradition for Vaj is Vidyaranya. But he claim to be a dzogchen yogi so it doesn't matter who he says is an authority. He reads books and goes to webinars and teachings of Tibetans. He has no guru-s or sampradaya. He thinks of himself as the nor'easter Eckhart Tolle. He makes this shit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This is not a definition but rather an interpretation. Try faithfulness' ... a present-tense definition of shraddha. OK, just what does teh word faith mean? Belief without proof? Intuition? Strong in God? Knowledge of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread whynotnow7
There have always been wondrous and premature spiritual experiences on the way to self realization. To make them the exclusive province of TM is absurd. However, TM being very effective, especially with rounding, coupled with Maharishi's decision not to take on lifestyle choices for *most* of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread whynotnow7
Jai Guru Dev dude! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: One thing no revolutionary is about to do is conform wholeheartedly to the status quo, whether in terms of science or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I agree that MMY's scientific standards were pretty low, but not that he didn't really believe what he said about spirituality being

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread whynotnow7
methinks you will be at this a long time Curtis. Another dude, also with long hair and a beard, has been gone for 2000+ years, and people are still arguing about his message, purpose and intentions. And for the same reasons - they cannot help but filter the guy through their own minds, coming

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread emptybill
Angels are merely a Semitic notion. There are no angels in the Veda-s, Purana-s or Tantra-s. Angelos means messenger in Greek, in other words a news-bearer - not even a messenger of a god. In Hebrew, mal'akh yhvh means messenger of yhvh. That is all. Fergit the notion that deva-s are angels.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread whynotnow7
At the core of an arrogant man is a traumatized child, hypothetically speaking, again.:-) Why would anything be excluded from self-realization? Conversely, why couldn't someone gain self-realization any number of ways? Notice that those who have nothing good to say about the sidhis often had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread Yifu
true, but one doesn't have to know Skt or Hebrew in order to meet them. English works well. http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/emerald-butterfly.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Angels are merely a Semitic notion. There are no angels in the Veda-s,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh how the mighty have fallen...

2011-06-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 06/07/2011 04:12 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 06/06/2011 06:32 PM, sparaig wrote: http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/deepak-chopra-meditation L. Why do you say that? Seems like a perfectly find generic meditation. Were you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread emptybill
Vaj: Give me some Don Juan Matus anytime over becoming the latest self-proclaimed Super-Rishi or Raja. Vaj quotes a fictional character from the Canteñada books to nail down his arguments. So is this guy a bull-shitter or not? I think troll sums it up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jun 04 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 11 00:00:00 2011 272 messages as of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Yeah, exactly. If individual brains produce individual consciousnesses, you have to do some fairly elaborate acrobatics to speak of Consciousness.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread emptybill
Not just faith but rather faithfulness. Pledging your fidelity of good faith. Something or someone worthy of trust or belief. Samaya - as in words of honor from a knight to his liege lord. Prussian: Troth - truthfulness. English - Betroth ... pledge of trust between a husband and wife. Meine

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread Robert
(snip) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: According to Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, TM-style enlightenment is actually of form of induced psychosis. It is perceived exactly as described, but is in fact a form of psychosis. Given that one can experience such things

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh how the mighty have fallen...

2011-06-07 Thread emptybill
A mahaa-mantra like om namaH Shivaaya or om namo naraayanaaya would be simple. However it is the instructions for use that require interactions with a teacher. This is true even for a simple mahaa-mantra. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/07/2011 04:12

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:55 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Yeah, exactly. If individual brains produce individual consciousnesses, you have to do some fairly

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It kind of shows how un-seriously Maharishi took this information that it would be up to ME to cough up this furball! [...] And

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: thx, on his stmt that everything is physical, consciousness is a product of brain functioning, etc; You think that's what it says? (The statement from MMY below). Isn't it more accurately summarized as everything has a physical

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of

[FairfieldLife] Imus Talks Civil Unrest w/Carvelle...

2011-06-07 Thread Robert
http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/06/carville-2012-could-be-very-rough-for-obama-says-civil-unrest-imminently-possible/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread Robert
Which comes first, the 'Soul' or the 'Body'?... Do you remember being in the 'Womb'? Where were you between 'Lives'...? When you drop the body, will you still 'Exist'? Does your body know it 'Exists'... Or is 'Consciousness' the 'First Cause'? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister

[FairfieldLife] Question Re: Universal Health Care (aka ObamaCare)

2011-06-07 Thread Robert
If we had 'Medicare for All' and everyone paid in...that would be a start... Then, if we regulated how much providers would charge, that would be a second step... If we freed some money from the military industrial complex, that would be a help... If we freed some money from the prison

[FairfieldLife] The Eternal, Transcendental Nature of the Soul.

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
The Gita cII, -Paramahansa Yogananda From joy people are born; for joy they live; in joy they melt at death. Death is an ecstasy, for it removes the burden of the body and frees the soul of all pain springing from body identification. It is the cessation of pain and sorrow...Ordinary

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Eternal, Transcendental Nature of the Soul.

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
Some behold the soul in amazement. Similarly, others describe it as marvelous. Still others listen about the soul as wondrous. And there are others who, even after hearing all about the soul, do not comprehend it at all. The Gita cII, -Paramahansa Yogananda From joy people are born;

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread Vaj
On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:12 PM, WillyTex wrote: Dzogchen is just like TM practice, that is, it is the natural, primordial state or natural condition of the mind and a meditation practice aimed at realizing that condition - pure awareness. Dzogchen is nothing like TM practice. If you think it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread Vaj
On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:24 PM, wayback71 wrote: And see post #194922 of a few years ago written by Vaj about Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche. Vaj has spent some time with him. How did that pan out for your friend?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Eternal, Transcendental Nature of the Soul.

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
The beginning of all creatures is veiled, the middle is manifested, and the end again is imperceptible, .. Why, then, lament this truth? Some behold the soul in amazement. Similarly, others describe it as marvelous. Still others listen about the soul as wondrous. And there are others

[FairfieldLife] 'Corporate Capitalizm is a Dead-End!'...

2011-06-07 Thread Robert
  Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 6:30 AM Cut the damn corporate welfare... Cut the damn military budget... Cut medical fees and money changers insurance thieves..   You git the idea, yea betcha!   R.G.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread wayback71
She took a few different brief courses with him and liked the practices and his teaching very much. REad a few of his books. Then took a day-long seminar on one of the techniques taught by an American trainee woman - and was very disappointed at her presentation of the knowledge (confusing and

[FairfieldLife] War-in-Afghanistan= Control of Oil $ Metals $ Opium...'

2011-06-07 Thread Robert
 Corporate Greed, once, doing it's thang...  Dirty Money...buy's dirty things...      $Stop the War Now!$

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
Has the old TM heifer cow here recovered enough vitality to house 5,000 more boys in a gulag? Seems after so many years that a lot of people are in recovery still from over-giving before. Lot of people dried up. Can Girish turn out the new Indian middle-class to pay for this? How does

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
Are they training the girls and women to be pundits there too? We don't hear or see much about the girls there. Has the old TM heifer cow here recovered enough vitality to house 5,000 more boys in a gulag? Seems after so many years that a lot of people are in recovery still from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
The plan is being structured to have 5000 of these students come to Iowa to finish their schooling (huge applause). (by all 300 TB's in attendance) Are they training the girls and women to be pundits there too? We don't hear or see much about the girls there. Has the old TM heifer

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
The plan is being structured to have 5000 of these students come to Iowa to finish their schooling (huge applause). (by all 300 TB's in attendance) We're going to gather 9,000 people to regularly chant vedic mantras together as a group in Vedic City to conduct scientific research on any

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie: A Somewhat Gentle Man

2011-06-07 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Luther was tremendous. I've heard rumors there may be a second season, but have seen nothing of it yet. If it appears, can you give me a heads-up?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread WillyTex
Apparently I'm the only one on this forum that has listened to the complete MMY recordings from 1967. Go figure. Hey! Just for the fun of it why not listen to the recordings, and then post comments on them? Vaj: Really immaterial Willy. MMY began talking about BC years later

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

2011-06-07 Thread whynotnow7
I wasn't aware that genetically engineered food has quietly taken over the market. At the same time, many of the major grocery chains now carry a very limited selection of organic produce. I recall Maharishi being very much against genetically modified food, though I don't recall why. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread WillyTex
Vaj: Dzogchen is nothing like TM practice... The central practice of Dzogchen is meditation that is transcendental. According to Sogyal Rinpoche, a Dzogchen Master, the author of the 'Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying', meditation is not really a practice - meditation is not really something

[FairfieldLife] Re: War-in-Afghanistan= Control of Oil $ Metals $ Opium...'

2011-06-07 Thread WillyTex
Robert:    $Stop the War Now!$ So, we are agreed - the U.S. is in a war, and your solution is to just stop the war. How are you going to stop the war, without winning the war or even putting up a fight? Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread WillyTex
FWIW, according to Patañjali, shraddhaa (usually translated to 'faith') seems to be a /conditio sine qua non/ for samaadhi... Well, yes, you have to have a certain amount of faith that the goal exists: samadhi. We don't know for sure that a state of samadhi exists, unless we experience it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
Can Girish turn out the new Indian middle-class to pay for this? The plan is being structured to have 5000 of these students come to Iowa to finish their schooling (huge applause). (by all 300 TB's in attendance) We're going to gather 9,000 people to regularly chant vedic mantras

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Can Girish turn out the new Indian middle-class to pay for this? I guess that depends on whether they're as gullible as American TMers. The plan is being structured to have 5000 of these students come to Iowa to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

2011-06-07 Thread WillyTex
whynotnow7: I wasn't aware that genetically engineered food has quietly taken over the market. At the same time, many of the major grocery chains now carry a very limited selection of organic produce... Whole Foods Market carries a full line of organic produce and meat. That's one of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread tartbrain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Can Girish turn out the new Indian middle-class to pay for this? I guess that depends on whether they're as gullible as American TMers. Well, in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: whynotnow7: I wasn't aware that genetically engineered food has quietly taken over the market. At the same time, many of the major grocery chains now carry a very limited selection of organic produce... Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Can Girish turn out the new Indian middle-class to pay for this? Consider that there are also a significant number of fairly wealthy Indians, in India and the USA. What is interesting, is that none in the USA seem at all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: Can Girish turn out the new Indian middle-class to pay for this? Consider that there are also a significant number of fairly wealthy Indians, in India and the USA. What is interesting, is that none in the USA

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: thx, on his stmt that everything is physical, consciousness is a product of brain functioning, etc; You think that's what it says? (The statement from MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread WillyTex
Isn't it more accurately summarized as everything has a physical level, consciousness is correlated with brain functioning? Metaphysically that's a big difference... authfriend: Correlation does not imply causation. But he was explicit that consciousness is caused by (is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Isn't it more accurately summarized as everything has a physical level, consciousness is correlated with brain functioning? Metaphysically that's a big difference... authfriend: Correlation does not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread WillyTex
Robert: Which comes first, the 'Soul' or the 'Body'?... Do you remember being in the 'Womb'? Where were you between 'Lives'...? When you drop the body, will you still 'Exist'? Does your body know it 'Exists'... Or is 'Consciousness' the 'First Cause'? These questions cannot be answered

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... Yep, pretty clearly TM has an integrity problem that they have been suffering with for quite a while. In your mind only. Otherwise everything is going very well. Follow the maharishichannel and you'll see what is going on in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

2011-06-07 Thread Bhairitu
If you used to buy corn on the cob you may remember that not all ears were sweet tasting and in fact you could often come back from the store with nice fat mature ears and they still would be not so sweet. Now most all ears of corn are sweet. That's GMO. Same with strawberries. Monsanto is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

2011-06-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 06/07/2011 08:04 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@... wrote: whynotnow7: I wasn't aware that genetically engineered food has quietly taken over the market. At the same time, many of the major grocery chains now carry a very limited selection

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Corporate Capitalizm is a Dead-End!'...

2011-06-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 06/07/2011 04:32 AM, Robert wrote: Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 6:30 AM Cut the damn corporate welfare... Cut the damn military budget... Cut medical fees and money changers insurance thieves.. You git the idea, yea betcha! R.G. This is what we're up against:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/07/2011 08:04 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: I wasn't aware that genetically engineered food has quietly taken over the market. At the same

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: thx, on his stmt that everything is physical, consciousness is a product of brain

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread curtisdeltablues
This distinction is a classic case of Maharishi's two teachings, the one he used for PR (scientific materialism) and the one he pulled out when there were believers in the room. He used his PR message to appear sciency (A method he actually had contempt for.) --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie: A Somewhat Gentle Man

2011-06-07 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: If you can get it, I would think you would find The Shadow Line better: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0111dqc; Thanks for the heads-up. I'll check it out. For me, two key ingredients are (a) great

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Follow the maharishichannel and you'll see what is going on in the real world. I have to thank Nabby for providing the best laugh of the week so far, possibly the year.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie: A Somewhat Gentle Man

2011-06-07 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: If you can get it, I would think you would find The Shadow Line better: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0111dqc; Thanks for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: This distinction is a classic case of Maharishi's two teachings, the one he used for PR (scientific materialism) and the one he pulled out when there were believers in the room. He used his PR message to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: thx, on his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: This distinction is a classic case of Maharishi's two teachings, the one he used for PR (scientific materialism) and the one he pulled out when there were believers in the room. He used his PR message to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: I think I would say yes yes. Between asterix (asterixes?) Noes! Asterix the Gaul! Singular: asterisk. Plural: asterisks. (From the Greek *aster-iskos*, little star.) Thanks. Little star. Spot on!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This distinction is a classic case of Maharishi's two teachings, the one he used for PR (scientific materialism) and the one he pulled

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I think I would say yes yes. Between asterix (asterixes?) Noes! Asterix the Gaul! Singular: asterisk. Plural: asterisks. (From the Greek

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This distinction is a classic case of Maharishi's two teachings, the one he used for PR (scientific materialism) and the one he pulled out

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This distinction is a classic case of Maharishi's two teachings, the one he used for PR (scientific materialism) and the one he pulled

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: He found the presentation of scientific materialism useful as a marketing strategy, which he laid out explicitly in his SOB. (favorite acronym ever!) He did? It's a long time since I SOBbed ;-) But I did

[FairfieldLife] Today 4:00! - Waterworks Park swimming may be banned

2011-06-07 Thread Dick Mays
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: He found the presentation of scientific materialism useful as a marketing strategy, which he laid out explicitly in his SOB.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This distinction is a classic case of Maharishi's two

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread curtisdeltablues
authfriend jstein@... wrote: Any hint of inconsistency, even if it's obviously just a matter of loose talk, will serve as an excuse for Maharishi-bashing.--- I don't agree that this was loose talk. It was a consistent pattern of how he presented himself to certain audiences. Having spent

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: He found the presentation of scientific

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movie: A Somewhat Gentle Man

2011-06-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 06/07/2011 10:32 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGapcompost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebno_reply@ wrote: If you can get it, I would think you would find The Shadow Line better: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0111dqc;

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread PaliGap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread Buck
Business, as usual? The TM-Rajas, can they show financial integrity in the active areas of the TM movement, yet? The teaching of meditation, MUM, MSAE, the pundits, the health products, the SVdesign, the real estate holdings, their cash position. Being transparent now may be in their own

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reply from Senator Harkin re GE foods

2011-06-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 06/07/2011 07:38 AM, WillyTex wrote: whynotnow7: I wasn't aware that genetically engineered food has quietly taken over the market. At the same time, many of the major grocery chains now carry a very limited selection of organic produce... Whole Foods Market carries a full line of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread whynotnow7
One thing no revolutionary is about to do is conform wholeheartedly to the status quo, whether in terms of science or religion. Maharishi would have gotten nowhere fast had he looked to science to validate his techniques. So like all visionaries, he spoke the language of his audience as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: One thing no revolutionary is about to do is conform wholeheartedly to the status quo, whether in terms of science or religion. Maharishi would have gotten nowhere fast had he looked to science to validate his techniques.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh how the mighty have fallen...

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/06/2011 06:32 PM, sparaig wrote: http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/deepak-chopra-meditation L. Why do you say that? Seems like a perfectly find generic meditation. Were you expecting a thousand pundits

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: thx, on his stmt that everything is physical, consciousness is a product of brain functioning, etc; sounds a lot like Sam Harris. (scientific materialism), brain comes first. ... You're forgetting: it is consciousness all the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: How does it work with the money now? If someone donates money to MUM in favor of its mission or to MSAE or the dome program, is that money still bled off to India? It might or it might not. Do you specifically say where

[FairfieldLife] French Muslims against evolution

2011-06-07 Thread Vaj
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2075011,00.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
I've found an interesting alternative definition: Willingness to surrender to dharma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: [...] FWIW, according to Pata�jali, shraddhaa (usually translated to 'faith') seems to be a /conditio sine qua non/ for samaadhi:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life

[FairfieldLife] Nutritionally Enhanced Plants …

2011-06-07 Thread nablusoss1008
Nutritionally Enhanced Plants …By Raj http://rajpatel.org/author/raj/ on 06/6/2011 in Via Twitter http://rajpatel.org/category/twitter/ Nutritionally Enhanced Plants = GM food, rebranded! Now with more vitamins! And even less regulation! http://t.co/1B3SgXL http://t.co/1B3SgXL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: Which comes first, the 'Soul' or the 'Body'?... Do you remember being in the 'Womb'? Where were you between 'Lives'...? When you drop the body, will you still 'Exist'? Does your body know it 'Exists'... Or is

[FairfieldLife] Question Re: Universal Health Care (aka ObamaCare)

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: If we had 'Medicare for All' and everyone paid in...that would be a start... Then, if we regulated how much providers would charge, that would be a second step... If we freed some money from the military industrial complex,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Eternal, Transcendental Nature of the Soul.

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The Gita cII, -Paramahansa Yogananda From joy people are born; for joy they live; in joy they melt at death. Death is an ecstasy, for it removes the burden of the body and frees the soul of all pain springing from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
But in the context of the statement, everything IS physical. And [human] consciousness is a product of the functioning of the human brain. The fact that everything physical is consciousness all the way down doesn't mean that human consciousness can perceive this unless it is functioning in a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread Vaj
On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:38 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: It kind of shows how un-seriously Maharishi took this information that it would be up to ME to cough up this furball! [...] And given that the so called

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandit Program Part 2

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ Yep, pretty clearly TM has an integrity problem that they have been suffering with for quite a while. In your mind only. Otherwise everything is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread Yifu
You're not making sense. True, everything is Consciousness all the way down, but not brains all the way down. Physically dead people can be considered human, but can function intelligently without brains. I've met many of them. ... Re: the notion that people must have physical nervous systems in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two completely atypical theoretical questions from Turq

2011-06-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: [...] I think I would say yes yes. Between asterix (asterixes?), true that. But I think those words are not expressing properly his position as (fairly consistently) expressed elsewhere. MMY was not a

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