I don't think the Christian focus is on death so much as on what that suffering and death accomplished. To put it in eastern terms, Christ took on the karma of his followers and dissolved it for all time. This act of absolution required great suffering and the ultimate sacrifice to pay the price. For Maharishi to blithely say that Jesus didn't suffer seems a bit odd considering he tells the tale of Guru Dev suffering from disease as penance for the world's karma. The idea that one's guru can suffer to take on the karma of disciples is as old as the tradition TM comes from. The Christian conversion experience is often discussed as a lifting off of a great and heretofor unexperience weight as the load of karma is shifted from the Christian to Christ. An Indian friend of mine who converted from Hinduism to Christianity says that his discussions with his family usually come to this point: As a Hindu you might have to go through untold lifetimes to get rid of all your karma but as a Christian it is gone in this lifetime. Thus, Christians honor the act that frees them from the almost impossible task of removing one's own bad karma.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, Maharishi as the display of the absolute on the relative is pretty fascinating, and really isn't helpful with all lifes little tediums. He doesn't have the skillful means for his yogasta kuru karmani. After all, who cares really about how the self referencial dynamics of the lime flavor prion binding virtual quarks spring into duality at the planc scale, and all that rubbish. All that shit is doing is giving the government ideas for warfare. Just wait til they figure sound is the key and blow down shit with huge speakers, zero point, yikes. Stay spiritual where morality is alligned with development. I mean, as research fine, but not as a moral code. Science is divorced from ethics in that a machine can be easily turned on. By good or bad. But on the other hand, if you believe in the Dark Lodge, ala Alice Bailey then it doesn't matter what the means, the race is on. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: akasha_108 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:43 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > SNIP> > > > Yeah I thought the whole point was that he came back from the dead, > > > or more specifically, ascended, so why keep him "in death", so > > > weird. They always want to say how "Christ died for our sins" , I > > > mean get over it, he ain't suffering now.The whole point of dying > > > seems lost... ie resurection, eternal life. That should be the > > > focus: ascension & eternal life > > > > ************ > > > > Maharishi has always rejected the notion of any suffering on the part > > of Jesus: "It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering. > > those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the > > life of Christ and the message of Christ.How could suffering be > > associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all > > that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ." > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124 > > The same little book that sings the glories of the caste system and > its inherent discrimnation and exploitation. > > The exposure that little book got was pretty cool though. It was > showcased in point of purchase displays at the cash register at many > book stores in 1968. An impulse purchase item. Too bad it was not a > better collection of lectures. > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
