The general public cares 'shit' about enlightenment compared to love and
'economic survival'. Interesting to see the excitement over this word here!
Rare is it to see any group, especially Christian, evolved enough to inquire
about this 'type of salvation'. Seems Christians would like to hear about
this phenomenon while in Heaven. Do 'enlightened people' watch football?
What proportion of women are enlightened relative to men, and in whose
opinion?
Arhata
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Peter <drpetersutphen@ ...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> "You" can not get enlightened. This is very true. In waking state
there is an experience of an individuality; a private psychological
self. In waking state there is a mistaken notion that this
individuality will get enlightened; that it will have some sort
of "enlightened" experience.
lol- yeah, one description of the way it goes down is as if you are
riding an elevator upwards in waking state, convinced that the
higher you get, the closer to enlightenment you are-- 27th floor,
yeah! --52nd floor, wow, i am SO CLOSE! I had a witnessing
experience! --93rd floor, uh-HUH!! This is almost IT! and then
without warning, the floor in the elevator vanishes, and before you
have a chance to even think about grabbing onto something, you are
falling, and falling and falling, and falling, and falling. falling
away into nothingness, falling away into freedom, and lest i say it?
unboundedness. ..
>But the only reason a "you" exists is because consciousness is
identified with and projected into some relative vehicle of mind and
consciousness has become the object it identifies with. When
consciousness becomes conscious of its own consciousness this
identification is withdrawn and there is no longer a bound identity
to consciousness. A "you" no longer exists. There is the mind,
emotions and everything else, but there is no longer an identity
with these vehicles. They just happen within a context of pure
consciousness. They always were functioning like this, but a
delusion of a "you" was present.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, yifuxero <yifux...@.. .> wrote:
>
> > From: yifuxero <yifux...@.. .>
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment
> > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:00 PM
> > --you say, to paraphrase: (according to MMY, those are good
> > words).
> > But "You can not get enlightened" are your words,
> > not his.
> > He didn't often use the E word (if ever) in the context
> > of a
> > progression from CC -> BC -> UC; but he might have
> > said something
> > like:
> > "You can reach Unity Consciousness" . That
> > being the case, MMY's
> > teachings would conflict with your Neo-Advaitin nonsense.
> >
> > - In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Peter
> > <drpetersutphen@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Enlightenment is not what you think because:
> > >
> > > You can not get enlightened.
> > >
> > > A thought is necessarily bound by time and space and
> > therefore has
> > nothing to do with enlightenment.
> > >
> > > You can not "model" enlightenment.
> > >
> > > So with those caveats.....
> > >
> > > In ignorance you are somebody. A psychological private
> > self that
> > relates to the world.
> > >
> > > Then you get 1st stage enlightenment and you are
> > nobody. Actually,
> > no "you" to be or not to be. Consciousness
> > becomes conscious of its
> > own consciousness and withdraws identity with any
> > space/time
> > experience. No-Self. No localization of consciousness.
> > Weird as shit
> > for the mind. "You" no longer exist, only
> > consciousness within which
> > everything occurs.
> > >
> > > Then you get 2nd stage enlightenment Grasshopper. Now
> > you are
> > everybody. Consciousness awakens to its bound value of
> > space and time
> > as simply consciousness. All moving within itself. From
> > "here to here
> > through there" according to Maharishi. Those are good
> > words.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter <drpetersutphen@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Peter <drpetersutphen@ >
> > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions
> > of enlightenment
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:18 PM
> > > > Enlightenment is not what you think.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, ruthsimplicity
> > > > <no_re...@yahoogroup s.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: ruthsimplicity
> > <no_re...@yahoogroup s.com>
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More
> > definitions of
> > > > enlightenment
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:10 PM
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com,
> > > > enlightened_ dawn11
> > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > enlightenment is that state of
> > consciousness in
> > > > which
> > > > > a person no
> > > > > > longer identifies with, and gets lost
> > in, the
> > > > objects
> > > > > of perception.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This sounds like the "I don't care
> > > > anymore"
> > > > > definition of enlightenment.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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