of the discussion appears to be premised on the assumption that
enlightenment in-itself is a strongly positive characteristic
desirable in a leader. And perhaps some feel that enlightenement
in-itself would be sufficient to make anyone a great political leader.
I question such assumptions.
First, some who claim enlightenement, make a case that consciousness
awake to itself has nothing to do with behavior, good or bad. And the
later is still quite possible.
Second, this view is different than MMY's who hold in enlightenment,
all action is accord with the laws of nature, life suppporting. etc.
This concept may be behind the call for "enlightened" leadership. But
This is a supposition, a hypothesis that is hard to fully test. Thus
enlightened leadership with all action is accord with the laws of
nature, being life suppporting etc may be just a nice myth.
Third, effective political leadership usually requires many diverse
qualities, experience and training. That much current political
leadership is not effective underscores this -- many leaders don't
have of the desirable qualities, experience and training that support
effective leadership. To assume that an enlightened person without
strong leadership qualities, experience and training will be a good
leader is a deeply flawed premise. Scary in fact. Personally I can't
imagine any good outcome if some, perhaps if any, of those claiming
enlightenement were to become governor or president.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's another "chicken or egg" connundrum... but I think if we
> go down a scale I'm sure we can find variousa historical cases of an
> unenlightened population experiencing a political shift from
> oppressive rule to a more benign one, without much change happening
> inbetween in the collective consciousness.. Maybe the Collective
> Karma is the key player here? Also I'd rather think an enlightened
> leader - even in the army - can lead by INSPIRING followers to new
> moral and practical achievements, not merely reflecting the lowest
> common denominator.. such as when slavery was abolished in spite of
> overwhelming contrary interests and forces etc. If one had to wait
> for an enlightened society as a precondition, who'd need the
> enlightened leader anyway - every individual would be "sovreign &
> invincible"...
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <jpgillam@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- authfriend wrote:
> > > >
> > > > the TMO concepts of enlightened leadership, on the
> > > > one hand, and leadership that reflects the
> > > > consciousness of the people, on the other hand,
> > > > don't seem to mesh very well. In other words,
> > > > they can't both be true.
> > >
> > > I feel a little foolish to admit I'd never noticed this
> > > conflict before. It's funny! Maybe, in the TMO worldview,
> > > enlightened people are liberated from ties to
> > > collective consciousness, just as they're liberated
> > > in the sense of no longer having their consciousness
> > > bound in ignorance of its true nature.
> > >
> > > Still, that doesn't help with governance, because one
> > > cannot simply order people to do what they're not
> > > really committed to doing. (Stalin had ways to make
> > > it work, and Maharishi seems to have some success,
> > > but they're special cases.) So an enlightened leader
> > > might say, "Let's forgive the terrorists," but the people
> > > would say, "Screw that, I want blood." And the enlightened
> > > leader would have a problem.
> > >
> > > I had a conversation about this topic of orders versus
> > > persuasion with an Army major in my acquaintance.
> > > I said, "It seems to me that in the Army, of all places,
> > > you could just say, 'Do this,' and it would get done."
> > >
> > > He said, "Well, you could, but officers who work that
> > > way don't advance very far." He said subordinates will
> > > only do the minimum required to comply with the order,
> > > which isn't enough for real success in any endeavor
> > > short of maybe digging a latrine.
> > >
> >
> > Or they could do what Krishna advised Arjuna to do. Forgive them,
> then
> > kill them.
> >
> > JohnY
> >
>
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