--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It also raises > interesting questions about ethics and higher states of consciousness (which > MMY said were tightly correlated) and thus on many if not all of his > philosophical/spiritual teachings.
I have recently pondered this and related things: a) MMY said higher aka altered SoC an improved ethics, skill in action, mental clarity, compassion and social graces, are tightly correlated. b) MMY has said Gita etc has said that there are no outwards signs of H/A Soc. a and b, while not necessarily contradictory in all combinations and all manifest permutations, its still pretty contradictory (many more contradictions than not, IMO). Further, c) some aspects of behavior, fundamental abilities, etc seem to be clearly sub normal for some of those presumed to be enlightened (by many) -- MMY, Muktanamda, Sri Chimoy, etc. As well, i not more so, for some of those who presume they themselves are experiencing a H/A Soc. As Turq said, and I have echoed in various ways, paraphrasing (a bit more dramatically, perhaps), "if this is "E", who on earth (or heaven) would possibly want it" / "I hope I am never cursed with that affliction." d) Many aspects of behavior, fundamental abilities, etc seem to be clearly sub sub normal after 20-30 years, of practicing of TM and or other spiritual disciplines -- including many intensives and retreats. c and d clearly contradict a. e) MMY / TMO have emphasized "capture the fort" / "principle of highest first" and then the rest, for example, "a", will take care of itself. Yet given d (and c), that approach seems hardly effective in many cases. Supplemental fertilizers are drastically required, it appears, for some, in addition to watering the root. f) MMY has said that the inner subjective experience of milestone states of H/A SoC cannot be described. g) MMY / Gita / other Hindu literature provide a number attributes with the implicit, if not explicit caveat, that attributes in themselves cannot adequately capture the wholeness of the SE. f and g are not necessarily contradictory, but when taken in isolation, can paint a misrepresentation of the implied meaning with both statements taken together.
