--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <no_re...@...> wrote: > > > Yes, but in every primitive society, and all societies, there were > Shaman who lived on the outskirts, living a life of oneness with nature, > no real need to rely on the society for survival, and entering into a > spiritual dialog with the larger consciousness of Nature (and they often > lived well into their nineties, if they were not in wars.) They saw a > deeper truth, outside of the "one-lifers", and it is their wisdom from > around the world that modern man can learn from., and that are being > focused on in those ads etc. > > Your alternative is to say that there is no wisdom in Man. It is a > possiblity, but that view has no legs to walk on. This blog you quoted > shows ignorance of the right-wing mind-set.
I totally agree with you about the Shaman and everything else. What I object to is the blind belief that native Americans as a whole were somehow better stewards of the environment, which they were not. > > (Shit ! --- I gotta go get in a traffic jam to do some xmas shopping ! > That stuff sneaks up on you ! :-) > > OffWorld > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , "ShempMcGurk" <shempmcgurk@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At Comic Con 2009, Cameron told attendees that he wanted to > > > make "something that has this spoonful of sugar of all the > > > action and the adventure and all that". He wanted this to > > > thrill him "as a fan" but also have a conscience "that > > > maybe in the enjoying of it makes you think a little bit > > > about the way you interact with nature and your fellow man". > > > He added that "the Na'vi represent something that is our > > > higher selves, or our aspirational selves, what we would > > > like to think we are" and that even though there are good > > > humans within the film, the humans "represent what we know > > > to be the parts of ourselves that are trashing our world > > > and maybe condemning ourselves to a grim future." > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Fuck "Kumbayah" and the horse it rode in on. > > > > The myth of the Noble Savage at one with nature is just that: a myth. > > > > Certainly at least as far as the native peoples of North America are > concerned. In addition to practising slavery (some tribes) and living > the ideal of Darwinism and Social Darwinism (survival of the fittest > taken to the Nth degree), North American aboriginals were far from the > caring environmentalists and "stewards of the flora and fauna" that > Hollywood and liberals make them out to be. > > > > For example, if a plains Indian wanted to munch on some buffalo meat, > he didn't think twice about directing a herd of, say, 1,000 bison off a > cliff just so he could get a thigh or a leg off of one to bring home for > a snack. > > > > Want some land to live off of? Why, simply torch a few thousand acres > of forest so you can have the convenience of 200 square feet to pitch > your teepee. > > > > Remember that crying Indian in those public service environmental > commercials from the '60s and '70s? Well, the myth of the > one-with-nature Indian was as fake as the Indian who appeared in those > commercials: he turned out to be an Italian-American from Brooklyn. > > >
