From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Steve,
You do need to pay attention to what other people say about
enlightenment, otherwise there are no markers as to whether you have made
progress or not. But then, who has the 'right' markers?
You just over-intellectualized enlightenment. Somebody correct me if I'm
wrong, but there don't seem to be ANY bliss-ninnies posting to FFL. If
you got confused by the Maharishi, who made everything dirt simple, you
must be really confused. What could be simpler than go in and meditate and
come
Richard, in SBAL, Maharishi explains that our program is to meditate and act.
And that if our actions are those that we enjoy, the integration of PC with
waking, etc. is faster and smoother.
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:59 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com
[FairfieldLife]
Bhairitu, I heard that Maharishi once said that if we have anything we want to
change about ourselves, we better do it before CC. Because after CC we'll just
witness it! I wish he had talked more about this kind of thing.
On Monday, September 15, 2014 2:40 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
I would tend to agree with that. ;-)
On 09/16/2014 07:47 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Bhairitu, I heard that Maharishi once said that if we have anything we
want to change about ourselves, we better do it before CC. Because
after CC we'll just witness it! I wish
Hey Bhairitu, I heard a teleclass with John Gray the other day. One thing I'll
say for him, that guy can talk non stop! He's pretty much given over the
relationship business to his daughter. He's totally into health, having cured
himself of Parkinson's 12 years ago via natural methods.
And
The rise of autism seems to parallel our ability to immerse ourselves in
virtual realities - Get immersed in thoughts, and can't get out. Those numbers
sound ridiculously high, but I am not trying to sell a course, whereas he is.
The supposed chlorine link is lunacy, too - There are more pools,
They all speak mostly about the methodologies.
Yes, Adyashanti is the only person who seems to have spoken
about the actual experience.
--- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Yeah, they do - Ramana, and MMY and Brahmananda Saraswati, and Adyashanti, all
of those guys do it and talk about
Xeno,
Thank you for this reply.
I find very little to take issue with, and quite a few of the lines, made me
smile, , so thank you for that.
There are things you've brought up, that I am going to mull over. (that's how
I do things)
Thank you again for a perspective I had not
The point I have been making since it first came up many years ago, was that
enlightenment is achievable, by ordinary householder types, like me. This was
in great doubt several years ago, but is now being more commonly accepted. I
have never tried to be a teacher on here. I say what I say.
As usual, it's all about you. I did enjoy the third person angle though. (-:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Steve,
You do need to pay attention to what other people say about
MMY and Guru Dev do as well, speak about actual experience. Everything from
them is first person experience. Haven't read enough Ramana to say. See,
everybody talks about it.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :
They all speak mostly about the methodologies.
Yes,
And Jim also said of Barry 'Barry told a silly little story about some
western-bubbleized person having a good time, and then realizing instead they
were a victim of karma, with a mind full of thoughts'. This was a cut and paste
a friend sent to Barry from Sam Harris's book. It was an
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Steve,
You do need to pay attention to what other people say about enlightenment,
otherwise there are no markers as to whether you have made progress or
Exactly, Ann! This enlightenment or whatever it is, means living life, all
cylinders - trying the mysterious, the scary, the achingly beautiful, with
possible trepidation, all of it, yet, pushing through that last boundary, to
experience the world, always, in its freshness, liveliness, and
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
And Jim also said of Barry 'Barry told a silly little story about some
western-bubbleized person having a good time, and then realizing instead they
were a victim of karma, with a mind full of thoughts'. This was a cut
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Exactly, Ann! This enlightenment or whatever it is, means living life, all
cylinders - trying the mysterious, the scary, the achingly beautiful, with
possible trepidation, all of it, yet, pushing through that last
Yes, I find his pseudo-curiosity, static and annoying. Needy, too. Sorry about
your upcoming banishment from the Canada folder. We'll get through this
together. Pinky swear.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
*From:* anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Steve,
You do need to pay attention to what other people say about enlightenment,
Alright, it's settled then - only two informants on this list has actually
read Sam Harris's new book, Awake.
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 8:48 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Yes, I find his pseudo-curiosity, static and annoying. Needy,
However over-intellectualizing above enlightenment can be a barrier
toward growth. Besides once person steps over the edge they will
realize what has happened. A good sign you are down the path is when
you no longer are concerned about whether you are enlightened or not.
It is NOT an
Yep, parsing stuff down too much gets away from direct experience. I enjoy
MMY's stages, but they were very confusing, viewed as a linear path, which of
course, my ego craved - the 1,2,3 guide to unlocking the universe. That does
seem to be the key; losing the key, the goal, and pretty much
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 1:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along
from a former FFL poster
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 1:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along
from a former FFL poster
Xeno, although seemingly benign, is a bit of a plodder as well. While I
sometimes appreciate his level tone and reasonably civilized manner I find I
just can't figure out the static
, September 15, 2014 1:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along
from a former FFL poster
Xeno, although seemingly benign, is a bit of a plodder as well. While I
sometimes appreciate his level tone and
reasonably civilized manner I find I just
A Robin in UC, thinks Khomeini is also in UC.!
It's nutty that who get enlightened and come to an
internet forum to announce that they are enlightened. That
is never supposed to happen.
Judy and the mean girls had descended to the level, where
they lick Robin's boots. I, zarzari,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who
assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a
great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the
But Dan, it is a really good story. Now, does my saying this mean I won't get
any more presents from you? (-:
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 6:11 AM, danfriedman2002
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Seems like everybody's
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :
A Robin in UC, thinks Khomeini is also in UC.!
What would it take to keep you on topic?
You just hijacked a perfectly good thread about Sam Harris to interject old
news about Robin and Khomeini. Judy already trashed these
From anyone here who has said that they are enlightened, I haven't seen any
unraveling. The reason being that if anyone achieves spiritual liberation using
the techniques of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, they know the difference between true
spiritual freedom and delusion. I am not sure you do,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who
assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a
great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the
Are you truly a raving lunatic, or simply impersonating one? No, its not an
Advaita question.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :
A Robin in UC, thinks Khomeini is also in UC.!
It's nutty that who get enlightened and come to an
internet forum to announce that
In fact, the last time I was droning on about my life in enlightenment here on
FFL, you posted something in huge bold type, screaming profanely that I was not
enlightened. You Really Lost It, bawee.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
From anyone here who
--- turquoiseb@... wrote :
Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL
who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-)
This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already
did all the typing so I don't
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
But Dan, it is a really good story. Now, does my saying this mean I won't get
any more presents from you? (-:
Dearest Share,
I put more in to delivery. Check your box.
d
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 6:11 AM,
Dude, you assume too much. There is far more to this than
you have ever dreamed of.
--- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Are you truly a raving lunatic, or simply impersonating one? No, its not an
Advaita question.
--- jedi_spock@... wrote :
A Robin in UC, thinks Khomeini is
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
In fact, the last time I was droning on about my life in enlightenment here on
FFL, you posted something in huge bold type, screaming profanely that I was not
enlightened. You Really Lost It, bawee.
I had assumed that
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who
assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a
great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
But Dan, it is a really good story. Now, does my saying this mean I won't get
any more presents from you? (-:
Sam Harris studied and practiced with Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, a Tibetan who
was a Vajrayana master. Harris has
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :
Dude, you assume too much. There is far more to this than
you have ever dreamed of.
What does Robin and the Ayatollah have to do with Sam Harris? Only a raving
maniac would confuse the two with Sam Harris.
---
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
In fact, the last time I was droning on about my life in enlightenment here on
FFL, you posted something in huge bold type, screaming profanely that I was not
enlightened. You Really Lost It, bawee.
Dan wrote:
I had
--- turquoiseb@... wrote :
Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL
who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-)
This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already
did all the typing so I
?
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along
from a former FFL poster
From anyone here who
Thanks, Dan, I got it.
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:32 AM, danfriedman2002
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
But Dan, it is a really good story. Now, does my saying this mean I won't get
any more presents from you? (-:
Now how could someone spoil the book by posting a passage? I also posted a
paragraph from the book and a link to the first chapter. I read the quote in
the context of the book. I had already read it by the time Barry posted it, and
there was a lot of material prior to that quote about very
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
Now how could someone spoil the book by posting a passage?
Because the post sent by Barry compared Sam Harris' book to Poonja-ji?
I also posted a paragraph from the book and a link to the first chapter.
We are not looking for crap
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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along
from a former FFL poster
From anyone here who has said that they are enlightened, I haven't seen any
unraveling. The reason being
you know about my dreams, too? dude, I misunderestimated you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote :
Dude, you assume too much. There is far more to this than
you have ever dreamed of.
--- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Are you truly a raving lunatic, or
--- jedi_spock@... wrote :
Dude, you assume too much. There is far more to this than
you have ever dreamed of.
--- punditster@... wrote :
What does Robin and the Ayatollah have to do with Sam Harris? Only a raving
maniac would confuse the two with Sam Harris.
You are supposed to
--- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
All the enlightened people talk about their experiences,
No, they don't.
like I am permanently established in silence, every perception sees the
infinity of the object, unity prevailing. Why do you want me to repeat it?
The enlightened people have
Yeah, they do - Ramana, and MMY and Brahmananda Saraswati, and Adyashanti, all
of those guys do it and talk about it, and write books - else we wouldn't have
any examples.
None of the characteristics of enlightenment are a secret, or something
everyone dreams up independently. As for all of
Yes but everybody is reading this book. I had to get the baristas at
Starbucks to stop reading it to get my drink this morning. Then all the
folks indoor and on the patio were reading it including the folks from
the bicycle clubs. When I pulled up to a stop light I had to honk my
horn when
I hope to read this when I get a few minutes, but really Barry, you really
dig this packing as many insults as you can into a few sentences.
Is this your legacy as a writer?
His writing efficiency was displayed in that he was regularly able to pack
the maximum amount of insults in a
Like a big so what
I think it's you, Barry, who seems pre-occcupied with people's enlightenment.
A prime example is Jim's. No one seems overly concerned about it, except for
you.
Again, with the story below, a big so what
I think what you've forgotten Barry, is that the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Like a big so what
I think it's you, Barry, who seems pre-occcupied with people's enlightenment.
A prime example is Jim's. No one seems overly concerned about it, except for
you.
Again, with the story below, a big so
I'm blushing Ann.
Thanks.
I think, like you, we've traveled some rough roads. It's the only way to
survive.
I think this was actually compliments of Barry.
I like this expression, and some of the sentiments expressed.
Volvo Trucks - The Epic Split feat. Van Damme (Live Test
Steve,
You do need to pay attention to what other people say about enlightenment,
otherwise there are no markers as to whether you have made progress or not. But
then, who has the 'right' markers? There are lots of descriptions of
enlightenment in various traditions. Jim's experience is one
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:01 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Steve,
You do need to pay attention to what other people say about enlightenment,
For the record, Barry has stated on numerous occasions, that he does not
believe in enlightenment,
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Steve,
You do need to pay attention to what other people say about enlightenment,
otherwise there are no markers as to whether you have made progress or not. But
then, who has the 'right' markers? There are lots of
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