Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2007, at 4:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the Maniprabha's comment on this sutra: These siddhis [that is] the Vividness of the subtle senses and the like in the case of one devoted to samadhi, (the fruit of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:54 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:41 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:37 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Unfortunately cultivation of siddhis, esp, via samyama is the opposite of that, according to the Shankaracharya tradition and numerous others. But

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Unfortunately cultivation of siddhis, esp, via samyama is the opposite of that,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Unfortunately

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samyama in the yoga sutra refers to a particular practice: dharana, dhyana and samadhi. That term of and by itself does not specify what object that samyama is being performed on. Well, here's Vyaasa's comment on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-16 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Vaj writes snipped; Actually the way it's taught by lineal Patanjali masters is that siddhis are not to be cultivated via samyama but instead are spontaneous side-effects of samadhi. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati emphasized this as well. TomT: As I have stated previously The sutras are not a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-14 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the Maniprabha's comment on this sutra: These siddhis [that is] the Vividness of the subtle senses and the like in the case of one devoted to samadhi, (the fruit of which is final bliss), are obstacles, [that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-14 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: I like the Maniprabha's comment on this sutra: These siddhis [that is] the Vividness of the subtle senses and the like in the case of one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-14 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:41 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:37 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Don't do this, be careful about this, watch how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:41 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:37 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Don't do this, be careful about this, watch how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the Maniprabha's comment on this sutra: Gosh, I wonder why? These siddhis [that is] the Vividness of the subtle senses and the like in the case of one devoted to samadhi, (the fruit of which is final bliss), are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread Vaj
On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:05 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the Maniprabha's comment on this sutra: Gosh, I wonder why? These siddhis [that is] the Vividness of the subtle senses and the like in the case of one devoted to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:05 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: I like the Maniprabha's comment on this sutra: Gosh, I wonder why? These siddhis [that is] the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread Vaj
On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:48 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:05 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: I like the Maniprabha's comment on this sutra: Gosh, I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:48 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:05 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread Vaj
On Oct 13, 2007, at 2:57 PM, BillyG. wrote: It's actually what my teachers from this tradition have taught me and of course it has a textually and lineal basis as well. I may or may not be of some help here, but, perhaps the warning is there to remind one that the siddhis should only be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 2:57 PM, BillyG. wrote: It's actually what my teachers from this tradition have taught me and of course it has a textually and lineal basis as well. I may or may not be of some help here,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:48 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:05 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread Vaj
On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:37 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Don't do this, be careful about this, watch how this and that goes, warning against this...Absent common sense, why be so concerned about this practice and that? Such thinking reeks of dogma to me. LOL, no it's not dogma Jim, it's the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:37 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Don't do this, be careful about this, watch how this and that goes, warning against this...Absent common sense, why be so concerned about this practice and that? Such

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting translation of III 38

2007-10-13 Thread Vaj
On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:41 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:37 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Don't do this, be careful about this, watch how this and that goes, warning against this...Absent common sense, why be so