"curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I said, schizophrenia commonly shows up in the 20's. I am not
> drawing any causal relationship with TM except that the culture in a
> full time setting like MIU might cause some symptoms to be overlooked
> in the wacky, and I believe bogus, theo
> >
>
> I took checking in the mid 70's and its not as mechanical as you
suggest.
> Certainly there are the "main points," but there's plenty of
auxiliary points,
> and the 'shutting down" was merely to get the person to the point where
> they stopped talking and would close their eyes. Babblin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis wrote:
> > They took it to sleep better and in
> > many cases they did.
> >
> At the risk of going insane?
As I said, schizophrenia commonly shows up in the 20's. I am not
drawing any causal relati
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On May 28, 2008, at 8:39 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 28, 2008, at 7:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >>
> >>> Blaming the TMO for that is a bit strained. If you w
On May 28, 2008, at 8:39 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On May 28, 2008, at 7:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
Blaming the TMO for that is a bit strained. If you want to say that
they didn't
acknowledge the problem or hoped for a cure purely fr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On May 28, 2008, at 7:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > Blaming the TMO for that is a bit strained. If you want to say that
> > they didn't
> > acknowledge the problem or hoped for a cure purely from TM, I might
> > agree
>
On May 28, 2008, at 7:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
> Blaming the TMO for that is a bit strained. If you want to say that
> they didn't
> acknowledge the problem or hoped for a cure purely from TM, I might
> agree
> that the TMO breeds such unrealistic expectations, but simply to say
> "...they
> i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> >
> > > And doing my best to say this without
> > > sounding like a total dick (I stuck "total"
> > > in there for some wiggle room) you might
> > > want to consider going to a mental health
> > > profe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> >
> > > As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking
> > > that Mahar
Curtis wrote:
> They took it to sleep better and in
> many cases they did.
>
At the risk of going insane?
> > But they all had symptoms that they
> > ignored knowing that seeing a
> > professional would be the kiss of
> > death for their movement dreams.
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > But the real question is, why were you
> > > promising them enlightenment in 5-7 years
> > > when you knew that to be dishonest?
> > >
> Curtis wrote:
> > Thats how long it took me to have the
> > sympto
> > But the real question is, why were you
> > promising them enlightenment in 5-7 years
> > when you knew that to be dishonest?
> >
Curtis wrote:
> Thats how long it took me to have the
> symptoms.
>
So, you taught 'TM' for ten years AFTER
you had promised them enlightenment in 5-7
years, AFTER
> > Do you know of any cases of schizophrenia
> > that has a direct causal connection with
> > practicing 'TM'?
> >
boo wrote:
> Having lived in ffld for decades...
>
Well, 'boo', that alone would probably qualify
you for being an anecdotal case of the 'crazies',
seeing as how what you describe ar
> >
> Do you know of any cases of schizophrenia
> that has a direct causal connection with
> practicing 'TM'?
>From the original post:
> > I really can't claim a causal connection, schizophrenia commonly comes
> > on in the twenties and this is when it hit them. But they all had
> > symptoms that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > So there was eventually a formal
> > > diagnosis of schizophrenia?
> > >
> Curtis wrote:
> > In the two cases their doctors did get
> > them off TM right away but this caused
> > a lot of internal conf
Bob wrote:
> Far better to have these signs of progress
> toward enlightenment, no matter how
> uncomfortable you may feel now, than to
> live without the purification that is the
> necessary accompaniment to evolution.
>
So, exactly, Bob, how many years does it take
to reach 'enlightenment'
Peter wrote:
> I'm a clinical psychologist and also a 30
> plus year meditator/Governor.
>
Dear Dr. Sutphen:
Do you know of any cases in which the practice
of 'TM' has been the cause of schizophrenia or
any other pathology?
If so, in which learned journal could I read
about this? Are they in
> > So there was eventually a formal
> > diagnosis of schizophrenia?
> >
Curtis wrote:
> In the two cases their doctors did get
> them off TM right away but this caused
> a lot of internal conflict for them due
> to their belief that this took them off
> the path of enlightenment.
>
Do you k
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --
> [...]
> >
> > WEll, I don't know if things are good or bad, but asking for TM
help
> > in THIS forum is hardly the best way to go.
> >
>
> having s
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --
[...]
>
> WEll, I don't know if things are good or bad, but asking for TM help
> in THIS forum is hardly the best way to go.
>
having said that, there's the old rule of thumb I heard ages ago:
rest, rest, rest, ac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "simon.groves123"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > To whom-ever it might interest,
> > >
> > > I've been meditating (TM) for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "simon.groves123"
wrote:
> >
> > To whom-ever it might interest,
> >
> > I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a
rough ride,
> > (ongoing difficulty with tem
Bingo- Sparaig wins the prize for best response in this whole string.
However, who's to argue that this is not "one of the most notoriously
hostile" but "the most seriously hostile" TM forums in the world?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In Fairfie
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Simon Groves
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:18 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a "Buddy"
Dear Sandiego,
Thank you for your very sensitive advice I
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On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 2:19 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a "Buddy"
You may also consider calling:
HYPERLINK "http://www.kundali
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "simon.groves123" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> To whom-ever it might interest,
>
> I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride,
> (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began.
>
> Recently I have run up against
Good move, Dr. Pete.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Simon,
> I might be able to help you. I'm a clinical
> psychologist and also a 30 plus year meditator/
> Governor. Please email me directly rather than through
> the newsgroup.
> -Peter Sutphen
>
> --
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Biggest joke at MIU in the 70's John Shapiro
He seemed like a nice enough guy. But when I brought one of my
friends to him during his psychotic breakdown while we were having
lunch he seem pretty terrified and
>
> > And doing my best to say this without
> > sounding like a total dick (I stuck "total"
> > in there for some wiggle room) you might
> > want to consider going to a mental health
> > professional rather than taking random
> > advise from strangers about your mental
> > health issues.
>
The Biggest joke at MIU in the 70's John Shapiro
"Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curtis wrote:
> Although I am not the right person for
> your job of "buddy" which sounds a bit
> AA, I would like to propose that you may
> have run into counter evidence to the
> belief that med
In two of them I knew the diagnosis. In the third I am guessing based
on the psychotic breakdown. That guy became a street person so he
wasn't getting medical help. All three were students at MIU. The two
who got medical care seemed to do better on medication but one of them
hated to take it
On May 27, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> Yup, he should try a different technique.
Or consider stopping meditation for an undetermined period.
> That is a little difficult as
> I would only recommend a technique from some qualified teacher and you
> have to be in an area where you can fi
On May 27, 2008, at 3:33 PM, tertonzeno wrote:
--Good advice, Vaj!. Thanks to you, I have the kundalinicare book;
but it's somewhat "short" on techniques and long on kundalini
descriptions.
My advice, check out the online pic of the kundalinicare book. He's
in the "Saraswati" lineage and his
On May 27, 2008, at 3:27 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking
that Maharishi's programs were complete and did
> > Don't listen to Curtis either, he
> > forgot how to meditate - they both
> > just like to spout off claiming some
> > kind of TMO status.
> >
Curtis wrote:
> Damn Richard, demoting me from even
> meditator status. That is kinda harsh
> dontcha think? Plus by your definition
> of meditati
Thank you Simon, I am an old MIU Student. In the old days one could not
complain very much about unstressing. Plus when I did I got adivce from people
who were not having the experiences I was so I had to find what worked for me.
At MIU I found such things as eating peanut butter, and food
In addition to what San Diego said, you can cut your TM down to 5 or
10 minutes twice a day or 15 minutes twice a day, whatever works for
you is the way to go
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Groves"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear Louis,
> Your advice rings true and simple
Dear Louis,
Your advice rings true and simple my first ever meditation just
happened (and after felt so nice... so back to myself, and then I encountered
extreme head problems unstressing after that ...
My feeling is that I have been straining/concentrating for some time now
if I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > > Please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who
> > > is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM
> > > teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank
> > > the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as "enlight
> > Please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who
> > is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM
> > teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank
> > the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as "enlightened,"
> > even though my bet is that no one on this forum
> > believes it but him.
>
Don't listen to Curtis either, he
> forgot how to meditate - they both just like to
> spout off claiming some kind of TMO status.
Damn Richard, demoting me from even meditator status. That is kinda
harsh dontcha think? Plus by your definition of meditation being just
"thinking things over", I ha
John wrote:
> Excellent advice from you and Curtis - and I'm
> a TM teacher...
>
Cut the bullshit, John - you're not a TM teacher
anymore - you got kicked out a long time ago and
for good reason. You couldn't set foot inside a
Maharishi Golden Dome if you wanted to. You're no
longer certified - g
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> wrote:
> >
> > > Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good
ones
> > > and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate
>
TurquoiseB wrote:
> Plus, please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who
> is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM
> teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank
> the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as "enlightened,"
> even though my bet is that no one on this forum
> believes it
Curtis wrote:
> I gotta say it is extremely bad advice
> for people having serious mental health
> problems.
>
If every person who sat down to 'think' followed
your advice, then they'd be in serious trouble
after they checked their wallet. You're in no
position to be diagnosing anyone's 'serious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Groves"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear Sandiego,
>
> Thank you for your very sensitive advice I think it's very
easy to suggest a visit to the
> psychiatrist... but as kind as they are... they can only
sympathize and offer something
> to
Curtis wrote:
> Although I am not the right person for
> your job of "buddy" which sounds a bit
> AA, I would like to propose that you may
> have run into counter evidence to the
> belief that meditation is good for everyone.
>
It depends on how you define 'meditation'.
If meditation is just
Dear Sandiego,
Thank you for your very sensitive advice I think it's very easy to
suggest a visit to the
psychiatrist... but as kind as they are... they can only sympathize and offer
something
to numb the brain (the neck upward) (this is my experience)
I both love TM and can't face the u
Simon, as an additional warning, Richard
is a mental case. Before paying attention
to *anything* he writes here, read a few
of the things he says on a regular basis.
He's a nutcase, and almost everyone here,
both pro-TM and less so, ignores his silly
ass completely.
Me, just to cover the bases, I
Simon wrote:
> I've come to a self-made impasse and
> it might be good to have the occasional
> reminder that its not all so serious
> as it seems to me right now.
>
Simply put, meditation is based on
thinking - just like thinking things over.
All you have to do, Simon, is sit down
and clos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good ones
> > and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate
> > things as a result. That's why I said, "Before resorting...". I am
>
Vaj wrote:
>
> On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
>
>> As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking
>> that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from
>> mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in
>> catastro
Wow! you guys must know a lot more about this guy because to talk about psych
therapy or kundalini anything from what he wrote that seems way out there. If
I were him I would be scared to death and never ask for help here
again...
curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In
F
--Good advice, Vaj!. Thanks to you, I have the kundalinicare book;
but it's somewhat "short" on techniques and long on kundalini
descriptions.
My advice, check out the online pic of the kundalinicare book. He's
in the "Saraswati" lineage and his Guru or grand-guru frequented the
area of Rish
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
>
> > As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking
> > that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from
> > mental health pro
On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking
that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from
mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in
catastrophic breakdowns after ign
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On May 27, 2008, at 1:55 PM, sandiego108 wrote:
>
> > Again, Sal, I said "Before resorting...". I don't know anything
> > about TM Koolaid-- I was speaking purely from experience as I
> > always do. What I am sugg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good
ones
> > and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate
> > things as a result. That's why I said, "Before resorting...". I
am
On May 27, 2008, at 1:55 PM, sandiego108 wrote:
Again, Sal, I said "Before resorting...". I don't know anything
about TM Koolaid-- I was speaking purely from experience as I
always do. What I am suggesting has worked for me. Period. No
thanks for your kneejerk reaction, and insult.
Alright
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On May 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, sandiego108 wrote:
>
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was
> > suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without
> > knowing
> Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good ones
> and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate
> things as a result. That's why I said, "Before resorting...". I am a
> big fan of simple stuff first.
As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On May 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, sandiego108 wrote:
>
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as
was
> > suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without
> > knowi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> suggested here, which may confuse things further,>
>
> When did you become a Scientologist Jim? "Confuse things
further?" by
> all that book learn'n no doubt.
When did you join Team Snark, Curtis?
>
> "Re
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On May 27, 2008, at 12:57 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
>
> > Oh yeah, and beware of advice givers who misspell the word twice in
> > the same post.
>
> Three times, Curtis, but who's counting? :)
Don't you love th
On May 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, sandiego108 wrote:
Hi Simon,
Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was
suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without
knowing the nature of your roughness, I'd suggest that you first try
some simple stuff, like lying down (or
When did you become a Scientologist Jim? "Confuse things further?" by
all that book learn'n no doubt.
"Read'n rots the mind, you should be out parade'n" Paul's
Grandfather's advice to Ringo in Hard Day's Night.
Although your advice reflects accurately the simplistic information TM
teachers dea
On May 27, 2008, at 12:57 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Oh yeah, and beware of advice givers who misspell the word twice in
the same post.
Three times, Curtis, but who's counting? :)
Sal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "simon.groves123"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To whom-ever it might interest,
>
> I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough
ride,
> (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began.
>
> Recently I have run up against
-First thing to do is buy two audio CD's: 1. Arunachala Sthuti
Panchakam and 2. Evening Veda Parayana; as well as the DVD "Sage from
Arunachala". All from http://www.arunachala.org
Watch part of the video every day and WHILE doing TM, play one of the
audio CD's at a low volume and consider it as
Oh yeah, and beware of advice givers who misspell the word twice in
the same post.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Although I am not the right person for your job of "buddy" which
> sounds a bit AA, I would like to propose that you may have
Although I am not the right person for your job of "buddy" which
sounds a bit AA, I would like to propose that you may have run into
counter evidence to the belief that meditation is good for everyone.
And doing my best to say this without sounding like a total dick (I
stuck "total" in there for s
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