[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vashtirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist st

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-13 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > the *system* is exploitative of > the fact that women are generally not considered "worth > as much" as men, in the same job. Therefore, many women > go outside the system to make equal amounts of money. I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vashtirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist studies seminar. > > Groups of feminist sex workers have brought up most if not all o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vashtirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My greatest concern is that the most money girls are able to make > is by doing sexwork. The assumption is that the great pay is a > stepping stone for those who don't want to be doing it their whole > life--just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vashtirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist studies seminar. > Groups of feminist sex workers have brought up most if not all of > your points; so have lesbians who have their own exotic dancer > clubs, publish

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, Judy. The whole world, in fact, is ganging up against you, > plotting your intellectual downfall. There are thousands of > emails per minute devoted just to you. Yup, it's Barry. Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread Cliff
Yes, Judy. The whole world, in fact, is ganging up against you, plotting your intellectual downfall. There are thousands of emails per minute devoted just to you. You should see what all the others here on FFL write when you're not looking... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a hard time seeing the difference between Judy wanting to > tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body in a strip > club You're as bad as Barry, Cliff. I NEVER said or suggested anything of the kind.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread Cliff
Your take on this surprises me, Peter. There's no "degree of choice" here - it's a choice, pure and simple. If a woman chooses a job where her looks or sexuality is rewarded, that's her choice to make. Yes, there are emotional consequences, as there are to any job. Should women not be allowed t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why don't we think of exploitation as a matter of > degree? When there is no choice, such as a child being > forced into slave labor, that is true exploitation. > But when there is a degree of choice, such as > stripping H

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vashtirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To me, a lot of 'exotic' dancing is theatre. Nobody worries about the self-esteem of an actor who plays socially unacceptable characters, even though s/he may be typecast for years after--IOW, be seen by the general pu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 9/12/05 7:50 PM, vashtirama at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I haven't heard of ex-sexworkers leaving their careers as lawyers, > doctors, governors, etc, because they miss the easy cash of sexwork. Governors of which states? Or are you talking about Governors of the A of E?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread akasha_108
Can you define what you mean by exploitation? Maybe its a semantic problem in my not being able to see the exploitive aspect of dancers. Is choice the key factor for you? So if a dancer has other options, then per your view, would there be no exploitation? i have taken jobs where I had little cho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread Peter
Why don't we think of exploitation as a matter of degree? When there is no choice, such as a child being forced into slave labor, that is true exploitation. But when there is a degree of choice, such as stripping or taking an underpaying job, that is not complete exploitation. There is a degree of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread vashtirama
Hi akasha, it's good to know I've been missed. I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts on this list because now that my son goes to school, I can pursue my new career of sorts (designing knitwear patterns for books and magazines). It gives both my left and right brain hemispheres a wo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread akasha_108
Hi Vashi, Great to have you back. We have missed you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vashtirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist studies seminar. Gosh, not the graduate seminar? :) > Groups of feminist sex workers have brought up most

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nakedness Before God (was more Chopra)

2005-09-12 Thread vashtirama
akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist studies seminar. Groups of feminist sex workers have brought up most if not all of your points; so have lesbians who have their own exotic dancer clubs, publish x-rated magazines for the lesbian community, informed by lesbian feminist theory. -