[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-07 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-07 Thread Vaj
On Jun 6, 2008, at 5:09 PM, cardemaister wrote: You seem to imply that e.g. in PataƱjali's saMyama there is vyutthaana. IMO, the description of saMyama in the first four suutras of vibhuuti-paada doesn't seem to support that kind of view. Furthermore: sarvaarthaikaagratayoH kSayodayau

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread Vaj
On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: He was the last living acharya In fact, the tradition of Laksmanjoo is carried on by his successor, Virish Hughes, who recieved the transmission directly from Swami Laksmanjoo in Kashmir. The main tantric yoga practice in Kashmir Shaivism is a meditation that is transcendental,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread Vaj
It never ceases to amaze me how much dis- and mis-information you can squeeze into just one email. On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: He was the last living acharya In fact, the tradition of Laksmanjoo is carried on by his successor, Virish Hughes, who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread tertonzeno
--(from below): - When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread Vaj
On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how much dis- and mis-information you can squeeze into just one email. Indeed! Centering - An excerpt from the Shiva Sutra, translated by Swami by Lakshmanjoo: 7. Devi, imagine the Sanskrit letters in these honey-filled foci of awareness, first as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread yifuxero
--- Right, stress can be reduced, as well as overall suffering (if one can even measure such things). However, I take issue with the Neo- Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: As I believe I've explained here before, Well no, you haven't explained much of anything here before. In fact, you've been deliberatly trying to obsfucate, so far as I can tell. And you're always trying to trash the Marshy. For what purpose? in an agama like this one, samyama has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
I take issue with the Neo-Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. Well, I wasn't referring to 'Neo-Awaitin' claims - whatever they may be. But it's a fact that all but one system of Indian philosophy agrees with the Sankhya notion that life is essentially marked by suffering, with the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-06 Thread yifuxero
---You still haven't provided any evidence (aside from your usual appeal to dead Authorities) that Self-Realization eliminates suffering DURING one's physical lifetime. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take issue with the Neo-Advaitin claim

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-05 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras

2008-06-05 Thread Vaj
On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva Sutras

2005-04-08 Thread anonymousff
How you implement and use these Sutras? do you use the Sidhis technique for each sutra? Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, Here is a copy of the Shiva Sutras that I just came across, trans- lated by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva Sutras

2005-04-08 Thread Vaj
On Apr 8, 2005, at 2:43 PM, anonymousff wrote: How you implement and use these Sutras? do you use the Sidhis technique for each sutra? The Shiva Sutra is an agama of the Trika system. It does not advocate samyama on certain objects like Patanjali and it a very different system of yoga