Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-22 Thread Vaj
On May 22, 2005, at 7:57 PM, bbrigante wrote: > Guru Dev was said to have attended Sanksrit school at age 8, so he > would have been familiar with the Ramayana because of his education, > but don't all Hindus have a pretty good familiarity with the story of > Rama and Sita? Yeah, but that doesn'

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-22 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/22/05 9:03 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks. Knowledgeable posts like this enrich FFL tremendously. > > > You may also > > remember that Guru Dev was born in Ayodhya, the bithplace of Raama, >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/22/05 9:03 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Knowledgeable posts like this enrich FFL tremendously. > You may also > remember that Guru Dev was born in Ayodhya, the bithplace of Raama, > and would be naturally familiar with the Ramayana and the > Ramacharitmanas. I heard tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-22 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ram is a fire mantra? Rick, Ram, with short 'a' is indeed a fire-mantra and is in the center of the Manipura chakra, which is not the second as Vaj says, but the third chakra. See it here:http://www.sics.se/~piak/yoga/y

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-22 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As MMY has said - We are only able to love ourselves - not others. > Ingegerd > *** This could be a little misleading to those not familiar with what MMY said, which was "all love is directed toward the s

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-22 Thread Ingegerd
As MMY has said - We are only able to love ourselves - not others. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Drammm on > > Of course he loves you and all the hardworking, honest > people who have contributed to his movement. It's diff

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-21 Thread anonymousff
Drammm on Of course he loves you and all the hardworking, honest people who have contributed to his movement. It's difficult to see that now, with the peculiar situation in the movement, but it will be shown at some point of life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTEC

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-21 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sorry, but this attitude you have really bugs the > > > bejesus out of me. Go f

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-21 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, but this attitude you have really bugs the > > bejesus out of me. Go figure. > > -Peter pissy pants > > > Those things that really bug us are usually (always >

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-21 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, but this attitude you have really bugs the > bejesus out of me. Go figure. > -Peter pissy pants Those things that really bug us are usually (always ?) born of samsaras, things yet to be resolved. But samsara i

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-21 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A lot of intelligent, well-educated Meditators inkl. TM-Teachers > build up the Movement in the West in the 60th and 70ths successfully, > for free, using a lot of spare-time and money. I know what they did, > because

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-21 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A lot of intelligent, well-educated Meditators inkl. TM-Teachers > build up the Movement in the West in the 60th and 70ths successfully, > for free, using a lot of spare-time and money. I know what they did, > becau

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-21 Thread Ingegerd
A lot of intelligent, well-educated Meditators inkl. TM-Teachers build up the Movement in the West in the 60th and 70ths successfully, for free, using a lot of spare-time and money. I know what they did, because I was there. It is very sad if MMY do not appreciate what they did. Ingegerd ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving - Hangers On

2005-05-21 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: measure. snip > Maharishi often made it clear that he didn't like the hangers-on. > Trouble was, he needed someone to help; hard-working as he was, he > simply couldn't do it all. So the hangers-on eventually morphed int

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-21 Thread Vaj
t;>> From: Vaj >>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving >>> >>> Was it Raam or Ram? >>> >>> >>> On May 20, 2005, at 5:48 PM, j

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ram is a fire mantra? I use it to light cigarettes for women in Paris cafes. Gets me laid a lot. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-20 Thread Rick Archer
005, at 6:43 PM, Llundrub wrote: > >> http://minet.org/mantras.html >> - Original Message - >> From: Vaj >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving &

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-20 Thread Vaj
--- > From: Vaj > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving > > Was it Raam or Ram? > > > On May 20, 2005, at 5:48 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: > > > Why did he

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread shanti2218411
The physicist Richard Feynman said"whenever I meet someone who says he understands Quantum Mechanics..I'm sure he doesn't".I think the same can be said of the "Truth".People who claim to have found the "truth" are invariably deluded.Kevin - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-20 Thread Vaj
Was it Raam or Ram? On May 20, 2005, at 5:48 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: > Why did he stop using Raam and switch to the bijas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> T

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????

2005-05-20 Thread johnlasher20002000
Why did he stop using Raam and switch to the bijas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "... discovered that the basic TM practice as we know it is > incomplete and really

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread sparaig
Me old friend, professor Anoop Chandola of the University of Arizona,once commented that Maharishi is the greatest spiritual leader of India of the latter half of the 20th Century, following in the footsteps of his guru, who was the latest spiritual leader of the first half. He also commented t

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "... discovered that the basic TM practice as we know it is > incomplete and really more of a first level kind of introductory > practice

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread jim_flanegin
very interesting point. This raises an ethical consideration: if one thinks something is truly in everybody's best interest, as MMY and followers thought/think about TM, is it OK to 'market' it, in other words, simplify the message for mass appeal, therefore sacrificing absolute disclosure for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread Llundrub
The mantras we use are not bija mantras. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving on 5/20/05 10:46 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/20/05 10:46 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > He started out with a single `way' of using one mantra, ram /raam/. I've heard this before (from you?). Was this the mantra being given when you were around? When did it change to the bija mantras now used? (And being used in 1968 when

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "... discovered that the basic TM practice as we know it is incomplete and really more of a first level kind of introductory practice. And that the whole "knowledge package" presented by MMY is kind of cobbled together

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
The Point is: Tm teaches one how to be effortless. Because, it doesen't require any effort to be aware, when you wake up, you are just aware, it doesen't take effort to be aware. Tm just is the process of becoming effortless, learning how to be effortless. When one is completely effortless, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 20, 2005, at 1:54 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > who the hell cares? > > Those who appreciate honesty and a repulsion for "spin". Marketing > something as "effortless" to try to make it look like a "higher" form > of med

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Concealing of the truth is not what most > people want when they expect spirituality. Indeed. What most people want when they "sign on" to a spiritual path is to be told that they now KNOW the truth. Few are ever disapp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread Vaj
On May 20, 2005, at 1:54 AM, sparaig wrote: > who the hell cares? Those who appreciate honesty and a repulsion for "spin". Marketing something as "effortless" to try to make it look like a "higher" form of meditation is dishonest. Concealing of the truth is not what most people want when they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread Llundrub
I think the effort thing is really a non issue, what difference does it make to acknowledge that some effort is involved in the practice, compared to thinking type meditations it is virtually effortless. To me the real gist of what Vaj seems to be saying in most of his posts regarding the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just joking. But I'm sure the 1000 eyed demon friend is somewhere in incarnation somewhere. It would suck to think one was going to Maitreya's house and have the 1000 eyed demon open the door. Not if one was an

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread sparaig
Here's the ultimate dogmatic answer to your point: who the hell cares? After 32 years of TMing, i'm still quite happy with the results of my beginner's technique (and the several "Advanced" techniques I've been taught). All this talk of more effort, less effort, non-effort, etc., is a bunchof

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > TM is like diving; jump and the rest is taken care > > > of. It's laws of > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I want him to be > open-minded and considerate. Why? What's my problem? > classic Byron Katie inquiry To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread Vaj
On May 19, 2005, at 4:10 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > For which I presume he is well paid. I might be wrong, but probably > not. Maharishi 666 and Maitreya 666 pay me very well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click '

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread Vaj
On May 19, 2005, at 3:32 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > More interestingly I find that these simple principles are being > challenged here on FFL by Vaj and others. It is like they say; no, > gravity does not excist ! No, just that there are different types of meditation. For some reason the technique

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread Llundrub
- Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving And the 1000 eyed demon that he sends to me isprobably my best friend too! I want him to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TM is like diving; jump and the rest is taken care > > of. It's laws of > > nature operating. Like gravity the result is > > inevitable; you fall into > > transcenden

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread Peter Sutphen
#x27;s his best friend. > - Original Message - > From: Peter Sutphen > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless > diving > > > > --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread Llundrub
Lups is gonna freak out when the huge 1000 eyed demon comes not realizing that it's his best friend. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: T

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TM is like diving; jump and the rest is taken care > of. It's laws of > nature operating. Like gravity the result is > inevitable; you fall into > transcendence. > > More interestingly I find that these simple > principles are being > challenged here

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving

2005-05-19 Thread lupidus108
TM is like diving; jump and the rest is taken care of. It's laws of nature operating. Like gravity the result is inevitable; you fall into transcendence. More interestingly I find that these simple principles are being challenged here on FFL by Vaj and others. It is like they say; no, gravity