[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 1, 2008, at 2:29 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > Not really. Think of it as test-driving samadhi in the virtual world > > > of your own sleep/holodeck. The parallels are really too significant > > > for any yogi to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-03-01 Thread Vaj
On Mar 1, 2008, at 2:29 PM, sparaig wrote: > > Not really. Think of it as test-driving samadhi in the virtual world > of your own sleep/holodeck. The parallels are really too significant > for any yogi to ignore (thus the importance of such practices in > Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, etc). >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-03-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 3:14 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > Though this way of understanding dreamles

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-27 Thread Angela Mailander
When my mom was dying, I told her, "Listen, when you die, you might not know it, so here's the sign. When I light two candles at either side of your head then you can feel free to go where your heart takes you." I can relate to people who were feeling that MMY was right there with them after he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-27 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
--- Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had noticed that at the instant of falling asleep, > that thoughts > became less frequent, discontiguous and random - - - > so I will > occaisionally reproduce that to encourage sleep. Angela writes: Yeah, I can enter that state at will also. I think you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-27 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Angela writes snipped: Really good description. When witnessing sleep, you can sometimes see the moment when the body drifts from waking into sleeping, and you can feel "surprised" at some distance from it all that there is hardly any difference. And the "surprise" contains the further notion th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Vaj
On Feb 26, 2008, at 3:14 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Though this way of understanding dreamless sleep seems very > > foreign to > > > Western thinking, the Upanishads go even

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Though this way of understanding dreamless sleep seems very > > foreign to > > > Western thinking, the Upanishads go even further. They describe a > > > fourth state

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Angela Mailander
Yeah, I can enter that state at will also. I think you can control the mechanism that generates the random thoughts and turn to that directly. --- Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had noticed that at the instant of falling asleep, > that thoughts > became less frequent, discontiguous and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Vaj
On Feb 26, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Larry wrote: I had noticed that at the instant of falling asleep, that thoughts became less frequent, discontiguous and random - - - so I will occaisionally reproduce that to encourage sleep. For example . . . popcorn . . . scuba diving large firm breasts, t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Larry
I had noticed that at the instant of falling asleep, that thoughts became less frequent, discontiguous and random - - - so I will occaisionally reproduce that to encourage sleep. For example . . . popcorn . . . scuba diving large firm breasts, tractor seat cozy horse . . . after a brief

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Angela Mailander
And the "surprise" contains the further notion that if there is hardly any difference between deep sleep and waking, then how much difference can there really be between life and death. --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Angela Mailander > wrote: > > > Really

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Vaj
On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: Really good description. When witnessing sleep, you can sometimes see the moment when the body drifts from waking into sleeping, and you can feel "surprised" at some distance from it all that there is hardly any difference. Yes! Nice. I l

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Vaj
On Feb 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Duveyoung wrote: > Though this way of understanding dreamless sleep seems very foreign to > Western thinking, the Upanishads go even further. They describe a > fourth state. It is still more advanced than the third. It is what > results when the expanded consciou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Angela Mailander
Really good description. When witnessing sleep, you can sometimes see the moment when the body drifts from waking into sleeping, and you can feel "surprised" at some distance from it all that there is hardly any difference. --- Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a seamless thread of continuit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Larry
a seamless thread of continuity - imagine being inside a hollow sphere, and everything is "projected" on the inside surface, everything = sleeping, dreaming and waking. Everything is the same distance from self. witnessing is the ego getting a taste of self and thinking it might just survive this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Sleep (15)

2008-02-26 Thread Duveyoung
Vaj, The below doesn't seem to have enough definitional clarity -- the meanings of words are kinda fuzzy. My quibbles below. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From "Yoga an Psychotherapy, The Evolution of Consciousness" > > "The Mandukya Upanishad sa