Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread Vaj
On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:53 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, you see, I think it is YOU who are missing MMY's nuances here. Certainly stress can have good and bad qualities (eustress and distress). However, anything that pulls one away from the quality of functioning of the nervous system where pure

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread Vaj
On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:04 AM, sparaig wrote: I like to cite my old friend Anoop Chandola, who is not only a Sanskrit/Hindu scholar, but has one very close family member who was part of the committee who selected SBS in the first place. Appeal to authority or argumentum ad verecundiam is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread Vaj
On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:25 AM, sparaig wrote: Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably accomplished as a Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers MMY to be the real deal. YMMV of course. You should send him a copy of David Wants to Fly. :-) And while your at it, you should also try to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread Vaj
On Dec 12, 2011, at 8:10 PM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: The current successor wasn't even at the ashram when SBS died, He was studying with another guru. Smart man. It's never good to be attached.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread Vaj
On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:29 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. Actually we've all already been

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-08 Thread Vaj
On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:36 PM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: Heh. MMY always portrayed himself as a reformer, so conservatives would naturally be incensed with what he said. Of course the real reason they were incensed was probably because he was destroying the purity of their tradition,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread Vaj
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:44 PM, sparaig wrote: Isn't Mahesh supposed to be MMY's given first name? It's certainly strange for a scholar posing as a neutral party to refer to a person whom he has never met, but whom he has written formal words about, by his first name. If he's a decent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread Vaj
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:46 PM, sparaig wrote: That might be, but of course, this doesn't say anything about the kids and prison inmates who learn TM en mass through the David Lynch FOundation. Well you'd have to do another study. But I doubt at this late date anyone independent would be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread Vaj
On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote: Because his comments are very much in line with a lot of TM teachers I have run into over the years. He regurgitates the Knowledge, but doesn't appear to get it. THe whole thing in the interview about how since a given guru was from the advaita

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread Vaj
On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. Actually we've all already been pre-programmed to believe in the stress release, unstressing, model is factually correct. Each time we transcend we're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
No Feste, that was not the point of what I was saying. But thanks for asking. :-) On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:52 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: So you're saying that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside or to be in public? Gosh, I never knew that, and I was in the movement for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:33 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote: So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure. Prof. Sawyer was expelled from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, feste37 wrote: But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you deleted.) Here's what I said: I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote: Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back into a more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Ravi Yogi
Feste, even-though Vaj is a big liar he is right on some of the symptoms. During my kundalini descension I suffered from symptoms that resemble panic attacks. During 2 weeks in 2006 it result in massive agoraphobia for me. Of course I was blessed enough that existence guided me and I never had

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Rick Archer
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richardatrwilliamsdotus Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos shukra69: this is a desperate crazy person kind

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:50 PM, feste37 wrote: I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a psychological fact) that those who start TM constitute a certain type of person, since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years. That's true. You could easily

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-03 Thread Vaj
I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation can cause - and the hope for relief for people suffering. You might see the still on-going PR of the TMO as more evidence of the success of