Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > Now that .1 is out, is there anything in particular stopping F-11 from > having this kernel? Worth mentioning— .30 makes a non-backwards-compatible BTRFS format change. So if you go .30 on a BTRFS system you can't go back. (though, I suppose

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-04 Thread Matej Cepl
Jeroen van Meeuwen, Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:30:46 +0200: > On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:13:14 +0200, Julian Aloofi >> To be honest, I think environments that work like that won't use Fedora >> anyway if it wasn't supported for at least three, let's say two and a >> half, years. > > Having to agree with you

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Toshio Kuratomi writes: On 07/04/2009 03:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:40:44PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: No, not if they bundle the generated auto* files with their tarballs, as they are supposed to do. They're not "supposed to do" that. Don't make stuff up

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-04 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/04/2009 03:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:40:44PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> No, not if they bundle the generated auto* files with their tarballs, as >> they are supposed to do. > > They're not "supposed to do" that. Don't make stuff up. > It's true t

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-04 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:13:14 +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle reads: >> Say a desktop environment runs Fedora 9 today, then within a month >> after Fedora 11 is released, the user can choose to either upgrade to >> Fedora 10 (N+1), or Fedor

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-04 Thread Julian Aloofi
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle reads: > Say a desktop environment runs Fedora 9 today, then within a month > after Fedora 11 is released, the user can choose to either upgrade to > Fedora 10 (N+1), or Fedora 11 (N+2). This is not considered a suitable > amount of time f

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-04 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:22:41 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > Hi. > > On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:58:52 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote >> I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora >> 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. > > Is it that time of the year again? BINGO

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-04 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Brian Pepple wrote: > On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 00:22 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > > On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:58:52 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote > > > I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora > > > 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cy

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-04 Thread Brian Pepple
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 00:22 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:58:52 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote > > I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora > > 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. > > Is it that time of the year again? Geez, I was go

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-04 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:58:52 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote > I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora > 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. Is it that time of the year again? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:40:44PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > No, not if they bundle the generated auto* files with their tarballs, as > they are supposed to do. They're not "supposed to do" that. Don't make stuff up. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Emerging Technologies, Red Hat http://et.redh

Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-04 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. You can find more details at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-deve

Re: readline update?

2009-07-04 Thread Matej Cepl
Ralf Corsepius, Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:29:46 +0200: > I thought, we banned all non-utf-8 aware packages? And BTW zsh has been fixed not to corrupt non-ASCII filenames? Matěj -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: readline update?

2009-07-04 Thread Matej Cepl
Ralf Corsepius, Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:29:46 +0200: > I thought, we banned all non-utf-8 aware packages? I agree, who needs grep after all :) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=194471 Matěj -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/list

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-04 Thread Debarshi Ray
>>> I don't see a package review request or any koji builds. Are you sure >>> it's coming to Fedora? >> >> Solang developers need to port it to the newer version of libgda first. >> Otherwise it would require a compat package to get into the repository. To be precise, it is actually libgdamm. The

Re: rawhide report: 20090703 changes

2009-07-04 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:47:35 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > I hit this as well, rolling back to: glibc-2.10.1-2 got me running again. > > It is actually prelink, a fixed prelink is in package CVS, but can't be > built because libselinux is broken. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=50

Re: rawhide report: 20090703 changes

2009-07-04 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 12:36:25PM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > On 07/04/2009 11:16 AM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:04:44 +, Rawhide Report > > wrote: > > > >> glibc-2.10.90-2 > >> --- > >> * Thu Jul 02 2009 Andreas Schwab 2.10.90-2 > >> - Update from mast

Re: rawhide report: 20090703 changes

2009-07-04 Thread Tom "spot" Callaway
On 07/04/2009 11:16 AM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:04:44 +, Rawhide Report > wrote: > >> glibc-2.10.90-2 >> --- >> * Thu Jul 02 2009 Andreas Schwab 2.10.90-2 >> - Update from master. >> >> * Fri Jun 26 2009 Andreas Schwab 2.10.90-1 >> - Update from master. >> -

Re: rawhide report: 20090703 changes

2009-07-04 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:04:44 +, Rawhide Report wrote: > glibc-2.10.90-2 > --- > * Thu Jul 02 2009 Andreas Schwab 2.10.90-2 > - Update from master. > > * Fri Jun 26 2009 Andreas Schwab 2.10.90-1 > - Update from master. > - Enable multi-arch support on x86/x86-64. > - Add require

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:59:46 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote > Given the fact that F11-xorg actually works on my GM45, while rawhide > with the mentioned .30 kernel and 2.8 intel driver died various > horrible deaths without ever producing a picture makes me question > the general usefulness of th

Re: Building packages for EPEL

2009-07-04 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Saturday 04 July 2009 03:23:59 am Gregory Hosler wrote: > SmootherFrOgZ wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Gregory Hosler wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Dennis Gilmore wrote: > >>> EPEL is now using koji to build instead of plague. please make

Re: readline update?

2009-07-04 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Patrice Dumas wrote: >> Certainly not. Many very useful package are not utf8 aware > > Those packages need to be fixed. It is not acceptable that we ship > applications which don't work properly in our default locales. You can't > even open your

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bojan Smojver wrote: > Now that .1 is out, is there anything in particular stopping F-11 from > having this kernel? And why is F10 still stuck on 2.6.27? 2.6.29 has been in updates-testing for ages now. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://

Re: readline update?

2009-07-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Patrice Dumas wrote: > Certainly not. Many very useful package are not utf8 aware Those packages need to be fixed. It is not acceptable that we ship applications which don't work properly in our default locales. You can't even open your files with those broken applications if they're in a director

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:15:49 +0100, Ilyes Gouta wrote > The fact is that F11 shipped with broken Xv support for old Intel > chips such as the i855 among other deficiencies. The problem can > mainly be attributed to the outdated xorg-drv-x11-intel-2.7.0 that > came with F11. A newer version (2.

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi, > The fact is that F11 shipped with broken Xv support for old Intel > chips such as the i855 among other deficiencies. The problem can > mainly be attributed to the outdated xorg-drv-x11-intel-2.7.0 that > came with F11. The version in F11 isn't really 2.7, its heavily patched as is the kernel

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, The fact is that F11 shipped with broken Xv support for old Intel chips such as the i855 among other deficiencies. The problem can mainly be attributed to the outdated xorg-drv-x11-intel-2.7.0 that came with F11. A newer version (2.8.0) for that driver exists but also depends on an updated use

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 11:51:15 +0100, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi, > > Users with Intel's integrated chips need the updated DRM in that > kernel. I think that an update is highly recommended. Where do you think the development of those features has been going on? Most of that stuff went into the

rawhide report: 20090704 changes

2009-07-04 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Jul 4 06:15:03 UTC 2009 Updated Packages: bluez-4.43-2.fc12 - * Fri Jul 03 2009 Bastien Nocera 4.43-1 - Update to 4.43 * Fri Jul 03 2009 Bastien Nocera 4.43-2 - Up the required udev requires so bluetoothd gets started on boot when an adapter is present

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread King InuYasha
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi, > > Users with Intel's integrated chips need the updated DRM in that > kernel. I think that an update is highly recommended. > > -Ilyes > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > > Now that .1 is out, is there anything in p

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, Users with Intel's integrated chips need the updated DRM in that kernel. I think that an update is highly recommended. -Ilyes On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > Now that .1 is out, is there anything in particular stopping F-11 from > having this kernel? > > -- > Bojan >

Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-04 Thread Bojan Smojver
Now that .1 is out, is there anything in particular stopping F-11 from having this kernel? -- Bojan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Building packages for EPEL

2009-07-04 Thread Xavier Lamien
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Gregory Hosler wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > SmootherFrOgZ wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Gregory Hosler > wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Dennis Gilmore wrote: > >>> EPEL is now

RFE: clean up keyboard layout config

2009-07-04 Thread Muayyad AlSadi
Hello everybody, I was tracing a problem that was no reproducible getting "Error activating XKB configuration" as I'm not the only one who got this error, just google for it and see some times is could be a result of broken language files https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487583 but

Re: readline update?

2009-07-04 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 09:29:46PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > I thought, we banned all non-utf-8 aware packages? Certainly not. Many very useful package are not utf8 aware, at least many that use motif or the athena widget set. And yes, there are very useful applications in that case. More b

[ANNOUNCEMENT] dracut-0.4

2009-07-04 Thread Harald Hoyer
Information: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut Download: F-11: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=112941 Rawhide: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=112940 Bugs can be filed in bugzilla now: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora&compone

Re: Building packages for EPEL

2009-07-04 Thread Gregory Hosler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SmootherFrOgZ wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Gregory Hosler wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Dennis Gilmore wrote: >>> EPEL is now using koji to build instead of plague. please make sure that >>> you >>> upd

Re: Dracut now has a wiki page in the Fedora wiki...

2009-07-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 23:19 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 15:00 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 10:43:34 +0100, > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > > but it's actually a lot less trouble to just do: > > > > > > "tar xf dracut-$version.tar.bz2" > >

Re: readline update?

2009-07-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ralf Corsepius wrote: > I thought, we banned all non-utf-8 aware packages? Unfortunately, a lot of that crap went in anyway because some reviewers just don't care. I agree with you that it's a showstopper. Applications which don't support UTF-8 WILL NOT WORK properly in Fedora's default locales. N