case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MP3#Patents
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uot;=~ s" is the delimiter, so you are saying
search for "/((Mon" and replace it with "Tues?" and then "Wed..." are
arguments. The regexp as sent (delimited with "/") was just a match,
not a search/replace.
I don't know the code; what exactly are y
ressed). For
example, in the nfs-utils case, what happened to having the %post
scriptlet do "service foo condrestart"? Is it impossible to restart the
daemons?
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kay, you save a little RAM, but for the
majority of 64 bit systems, that isn't a big deal). If you think
otherwise, nobody is stopping you from doing the work to make it happen,
and if it proves to work and be a benefit, I bet it would be accepted.
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"AMD 64".
"Intel 64" is confusing anyway, since Intel has pushed multiple 64 bit
architectures.
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Once upon a time, Ville Skyttä said:
> The first two Google hits I get for fpkg are already two different tools that
> have something to do with software packaging, so I suggest not adding the
> third but coming up with some other name for this one.
fedpak
fpak
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vast majority of applications you
> wouldn't be.
Then you might as well run the native system architecture, which is 64
bit, rather than try to figure out which apps run better as 32 bit and
maintain a full duplicate set of libraries! :-)
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everybody to a new architecture (Itanium), while AMD revised and
extended i386 to 64 bits. After Itanium failed to catch on in the
marketplace, Intel had to copy AMD's work.
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I don't speak for anybody but m
t code, I don't see it
much in the real world. I have one 32 bit desktop at work, and
comparing the resident RAM usage between it and a 64 bit desktop, I
don't see much difference in the common desktop programs. I know that
for some reason PHP on 64 bit arches bloats up significantly (a
n i386 system, you use i386 and i386-common, for a
multilib x86_64 system you use x86_64 and i386-common, and for a pure
x86_64 system you use just x86_64.
I don't know if it is worth the trouble though.
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I don
many times about this lack of transparency and I'll continue to do so.
Please give the conspiracy theories a rest. A meeting at a Fedora
conference is hardly a "lack of transparency". Do you expect people to
attend a FUDCon, sit in a room, and not talk about anything Fedora
rela
The only time I have to care about this is if I'm writing a kickstart
file, but it is one extra line (and then I copy the same kickstart base
over and over).
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Once upon a time, Orcan Ogetbil said:
> I wish
> vi had some tutorial the way emacs does, so one don't get lost in it.
In vim, hit F1.
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quot;
No, it isn't just an issue of space. You don't want to present all of
the i386 repo to x86_64 installs, as a lot of the packages would result
in conflicts. Only a subset of i686 packages can coexist with x86_64
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obably would require some yum (or at least anaconda) hackery. It
would be neat and nice to have (simplify rescue images, netboot, etc.),
but it is quite possible it is too painful to happen.
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I don't speak for a
based on the CPU type.
> and likely also
> have a flag to force 32 bit
That just needs an extra menu option for the 64 bit menu that loads the
32 bit kernel.
Or, you just make the combined image for dual-layer DVDs, Blu-Ray, or
USB flash drives only.
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fortunately.
> When the bootloader is running, it can only see devices BIOS provides to it.
Not true. See for example PXE-boot floppies. Google "USB boot cd", and
the first hit is how to boot an Ubuntu USB flash drive using a CD boot
loader. There are also floppy images to boot fr
Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said:
> Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 17:01, Chris Adams a écrit :
> > That's not an answer. What is the real maintenance cost?
>
> I already explained yesterday : there are rotting Fedora Core packages to
> merge review, packaging guidelines
Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said:
> Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 16:00, Chris Adams a écrit :
> > Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said:
> >> To repeat myself once again, core fonts are not free, they have a
> >> maintenance
> >> cost,
> >
> >
ners a good thing?
If you don't want to maintain something, then the normal way is to
orphan it and let someone else take the job, not badger everybody else
using the thing you don't want to maintain anymore.
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scussion, somebody mentioned there are also ways to
trigger events through dbus (I haven't looked down that path myself so
I'm not sure of the details).
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package
Core fonts are not going away, are they? Then why the hate for legacy
packages using a legacy interface?
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der piece could be relatively easy.
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Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 15:54 -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> > I have a Thinkpad from early 2006 that is 32 bit only for example. It
> > works perfectly fine, so I am in no hurry to replace it just because it
> > is only 32 bit.
>
&
e a Thinkpad from early 2006 that is 32 bit only for example. It
works perfectly fine, so I am in no hurry to replace it just because it
is only 32 bit.
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Once upon a time, Jesse Keating said:
> That is incorrect, unless somehow your ssh tunneled VNC registers as
> "local console login", which I doubt. In your case, none of your users
> would be allowed to install software/updates.
VNC looks like a local console login.
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> 2009/11/19 Chris Adams :
> > So there are no packages in releases/12/Everything that have privilege
> > escalation bugs? All I have to do is wait for one to be found, and I
> > have a signed path to root. Even if the package i
Once upon a time, Richard Hughes said:
> 2009/11/19 Chris Adams :
> > You keep saying that, but you are wrong. Otherwise, why do we even
> > bother with passwords (and checking password strength)?
>
> Authentication and authorisation are not the same problem at all.
of "change their password", which is reasonable
(unless this is giving elevated access to those fingerprints).
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> 2009/11/19 Chris Adams :
> > Once upon a time, Ricky Zhou said:
> >> I might be wrong on this, but wouldn't the attacker need to trick
> >> yum/packagekit into using the malicious repo first? I didn't think tha
ll be choosing something other than Fedora.
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ro" ==
"single-user system", when the Fedora desktop work is going in the other
direction (making the desktop more multi-user friendly). Many home
systems are now multi-user, and not everybody should be installing
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Once upon a time, Ricky Zhou said:
> I might be wrong on this, but wouldn't the attacker need to trick
> yum/packagekit into using the malicious repo first? I didn't think that
> was allowed for non-root users.
1.5 words: NetworkManager. Think about it.
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nd in-memory data structures tend to be smaller on 32-bit.
However, on x86, the 32->64 bit jump also gives a larger register set
and (IIRC) SSE (or SSE2?) on all chips, which allows better code
generation for all kinds of things.
The i386 architecture is register-starved compared to many other
arch
, but they get closed by the maintainers as
NOTABUG, so that procedure is obviously not working.
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rably in some common easy-to-find place in the wiki).
Is this feasible? Who needs to look at this?
I would like to see this discussion separate from discussion about the
current issue with PackageKit.
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ain situations? Don't get me wrong; I do
like having more fine-grained access control.
What would be nice would be a guide of how all this fits together and
when to change what (not just documentation of individual options or
syntax), but I do also understand that developers don't always lik
a policy
- better oversight (or enforcement, if necessary)
about PolicyKit (or anything that can give regular users elevated
access) rules and actions.
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Once upon a time, Colin Walters said:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > It seems the latest way of doing this is via PolicyKit. Â IMHO all
> > PolicyKit configuration should be "secure by default",
>
> "secure" is an meaningle
e
this kind of thing comes from. How do I override the settings in one of
these files? None of them are marked "config", so I guess I don't edit
them. Are there other places such policy can be set?
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away at some point? If so, when?
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Once upon a time, Will Woods said:
> - "Chris Adams" wrote:
> > I don't think increasing /boot just because of preupgrade is a viable
> > solution, as the installer image continues to grow. Is it possible
> > instead to put the installer image (the re
, as the installer image continues to grow. Is it possible
instead to put the installer image (the real problem) somewhere else,
like /? Why does it need to be in /boot?
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Once upon a time, Jesse Keating said:
> On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:45 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> > After F12 comes Print Screen of course. ;-)
>
> My keyboard has F13 next...
The One True Keyboard(tm) (IBM Model M) has Print Screen/SysRq there.
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s is Fedora).
You have refused to cite specific legal problems with cdrkit, so there
are no "known legal problems" that anyone can see. The proper reporting
method is bugzilla.redhat.com; can you point to where you reported them?
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LiveCD) to support more than one image on a device (DVD or USB).
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to guarantee that it will in no way interfere with python2
(including in the build root)?
Major changes like that during a release are what get Fedora considered
a "rolling beta" quality distribution.
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verall proposal more, but I very very very much
> wish this sentence said "I will not push this into F12 at all."
Yeah, we seem to have too much "churn" going with some things as it is
during a release. What possible reason would there be to push a major
new compone
arder to find PPC machines.
> Is there another big-endian platform that is on the upswing?
IIRC ARM can be, but I think many (most?) ARM platforms that would
support Fedora are little-endian. SPARC is big-endian but is not "on
the upswing".
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fine with other clients today) to export the root filesystem to
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or?
Since rsync is used in the distribution of Fedora, removing it _would_
be a technical problem.
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lict with each other) means you
can't easily switch between versions, and if you chose the wrong version
(or move a hard drive to a different box), your programs crash
unexpectedly.
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performance should not be impacted to help those that are not as well
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me.
In a couple of weeks, I get to report to a US district court for jury
duty for "approximately two weeks" in a small town (that had a RHL beta
release series named after it!); who knows how much I'll be able to get
online during that time.
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Once upon a time, Mary Ellen Foster said:
> Another related upgrade issue: texlive-psutils doesn't obsolete
> psutils ... (is there a better place to note this sort of thing?)
Why would texlive replace a stand-alone package (that has been around
forever as a stand-alone package)?
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take a break when discussions
get heated is not censorship.
> I strongly think Fedora would be better without ...
That is far over the line for acceptable behavior.
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atible (IIRC LessTif vs. Motif). It is't an issue too
much with LessTif, since it is licensed under LGPL, but what if it was
GPL? Would swapping out the libraries make a program a derived work of
LessTif (and thus fall under the GPL)?
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Once upon a time, Jeff Garzik said:
> Chris Adams wrote:
> >IIRC Sun only spun that a couple of times per year though (at most maybe
> >once per quarter, but I don't remember it being that often).
>
> Incorrect, for our shop at least. They regenerated every month, an
of times per year though (at most maybe
once per quarter, but I don't remember it being that often).
That was also because installing Sun recommended patch clusters was
another kind of cluster. :-)
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"Think before you download a huge ISO!"
A lot of users think they have a Dell CPU. The result of giving them
one that doesn't work will be "try something else before you download
Fedora."
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Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said:
> But why can't it say "GNOME Desktop Edition"?
ISTR FESCo voted that down. How about moving on to something more
productive?
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in (hopefully today
> or tomorrow). I'll send another follow-up mail when it's done.
>
> Thanks,
> -Eric
>
> cmadams: ufiformat
This uses libext2fs (for checking if a device is mounted), so no change
is needed there.
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> I wrote:
> > At the rate of one update per month to every GNOME package?
>
> PS: Some stats:
So what? The flip side of your argument is that it sounds like KDE
sucks if it requires monthly updates; GNOME sounds a lot more stable.
ating" them
endlessly on the mailing list, trying to drum up support and drown out
opposition?
This has not been a productive thread. I claim purple is better, you
claim green is better; do we really have to fight?
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Once upon a time, Simon Andrews said:
> Can anaconda handle wireless network connections for upgrades?
I think it can, for the NICs supported out-of-the-box. I haven't tried
it, but I know my wireless NIC shows up on my notebook.
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IIRC you have to do it on a repo by repo basis. At the selection
screen, when the active repos are listed in the bottom half, you can
click on a repo and configure proxy settings there (again IIRC).
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Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham said:
> Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) said:
> > How does this affect multilib on x86_64?
>
> It doesn't.
What I meant was what was the impact on running 32 bit binaries on the
64 bit OS (e.g. run your benchmarks there as well).
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rst time Fedora is proposing to throw out CPU support in a
long long time, and I find a minimal improvement on some targeted
benchmarks a poor justification.
It would seem to me that adding a few targeted Atom packages would be a
better use of resources (e.g. similar to openssl.i686).
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Once upon a time, Chuck Anderson said:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 09:42:38AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> > That breaks things, because a program in /usr/bin may require a module
> > or library in a private directory. You have to search all directories
> > for provides to sati
odules, and any other such
> objects that it supports.
That breaks things, because a program in /usr/bin may require a module
or library in a private directory. You have to search all directories
for provides to satisfy internal requires.
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the system directories list (e.g. by dropping something in
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ire SSE2 and runs just fine on PIII and Athlon XP.
I think the big question is this: is this worth the effort? Almost all
the new systems should just be running x86_64 anyway. Why does x86 (32
bit) need to throw out working architectures? Adding them back as a
secondary arch just increases the w
have a number of boxes in service that are i686 but
not apparently "i686". How can I tell the difference?
Maybe it should be called something other than "i686"?
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6, and i686. On Alpha, you have (IIRC) ev4, ev5, ev6,
ev67, etc.
When the distro was i386 targeted, we still had a few packages (where it
made a performance difference) that were built for i386, i586, and i686,
all of which are %{ix86}.
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hing the logging). You
had to manually turn off auditing with IIRC "auditctl -e 0". I don't
know if this has been addressed in newer versions.
For benchmarking, you'd probably be better off with disabling it with
chkconfig and doing a clean boot anyway.
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hinking of another
> way to do it that wouldn't be wrong.)
Don't forget:
installing for dependencies for suggestions
...
installing for suggestions for dependencies for suggestions
...
:-)
(yes it is meant as a joke, but it is a serious point that dependencies
for suggestions sho
o signs the CLA.
IIRC mirrors are not required to sign the CLA (I did, but that was
because I was working towards being a packager as well).
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(hence the choice of sodium lamps for street lighting in the UK).
There's also blue/yellow colorblind (more rare). :-)
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ot;---> FAIL <---") or
blinking text (does the Linux console support that attribute?) would be
preferable.
Another option would be to make the default selection box on the FAIL
screen do nothing, so just hitting ENTER won't continue (you'd have to
TAB to the "Continue" box
llowing
> the server to have a voice in the redirect decision. Let's try to figure
> out the best of both worlds...
Well, what problem was the server-side redirection try to solve? What
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ain will show that
> it does indeed to go different hosts.
Using a server-side redirector seems like a bad idea. It completely
defeats the purpose of things like fastestmirror or even giving a user a
list of mirrors to choose from.
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trying to use WPA today.
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Chris Adams
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I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
verbose) "cp --preserve=all" to get
SELinux attributes.
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Chris Adams
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
file /usr/bin/epic-EPIC4-2.2 matches
> Binary file /usr/bin/epic matches
> Binary file /usr/bin/gkrellm matches
> Binary file /usr/bin/incm matches
Again, how many of those try $MAIL first? That should always be set, so
falling back to /var/mail, /var/spool/mail, or /dev/null should not be
f
Once upon a time, Jeff Spaleta said:
> On 3/6/06, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Does FHS say /usr/lib/sendmail should just exist or that it should be
> > used _instead of_ /usr/sbin/sendmail?
> Friendly advice.. it helps to read up on reference material before
> asking questions..
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