Re: odd file requires

2009-11-09 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 11:58 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > Hey folks, > I put together this list for things I'd like to work on for f13. It's a > list of packages with a file-requires that falls outside of *bin/* and > /etc/* and then the provider(s) for those files. > > http://skvidal.fedorapeopl

Re: tagging of non critical path package into F-12?

2009-10-15 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 08:22 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 09:03 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > > > It took me a little while to find your tag request: > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2448 > > > > I've

Re: tagging of non critical path package into F-12?

2009-10-15 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Peter, On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 08:51 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi All, > > I presume that the reason that tagging requests aren't being done is > due to the upcoming beta but is there a reason that non core or > critical path packages can't be tagged in. I have a number of Moblin > packages

Re: Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-13 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 11:17 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > With you folks demanding more explicit changelogs you are rudestly > pushing around package maintainers and force them to waste time to > fullfill your solely burecratic demands. This is hardly being demanding, rude, bullying or bureaucr

Re: Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-12 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 22:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:06:56PM -0700, Jesse W wrote: > > What would be a good next step for me to take to help get descriptions > > added to these updates (and make sure this happens less often in the > > future) ? > > It shoul

Re: Review: Fedora 12 Alpha Release Notes

2009-08-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Wit the Fedora 12 Alpha release coming up shortly, now would be a good > time to review the release notes. Make sure the major features are > covered, import bugs and workarounds noted etc > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 23:15 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Unlike some people around on this list, these tools' upstreams know how > to use the autotools (I am active contributor to all of them): > Use pregenerated files, do not run the autotools while building. The last time this came up here,

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-06 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 20:30 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 00:56 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > I'll make sure one of the Desktop-y guys updates this (presumably > > Matthias). > > > > I've updated it recently and bumped it to 75%. It would seem > disingenuous to bump

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-06 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:58 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > All this really does is create a pseudo rawhide for each release, > blurring the lines even more around why we even do releases. With a 6 > month cycle, do we really want to take on all this extra headaches and > hassles just so that you c

Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)

2009-07-27 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 20:59 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Mark McLoughlin said the following on 07/24/2009 05:55 AM Pacific Time: > > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:09 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > > > >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-rel

Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)

2009-07-24 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:13 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Mark McLoughlin (mar...@redhat.com) said: > > > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html > > > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics > > > > In

Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)

2009-07-24 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi John, (Cc-ing fedora-devel-list, surprised to see the schedule hasn't been posted there) On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:09 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics In the F

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 07:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > libguestfs is a case in point - the Debian maintainer builds it from > > git using some unknown version of autoconf, and I build it on RHEL and > > This is a rare exception. No, it's a rare exception for project to keep autotools gener

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 21:13 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > It just fits into your blind spot so nicely -- because you are firmly > convinced that there is never any downside, you completely ignore everytime > someone brings up an obvious one. Have a look at http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 22:17 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Why is it bad to patch configure.ac and rerun the autotools stuff? I used to avoid re-running autotools in rpm builds because I worried that a future autotools update would subtly screw up the build - e.g. disabling a previously enabl

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-02 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 00:38 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Run "make V=1" if you want the verbose output you're used to. > > This will be REQUIRED in Fedora for packages using this feature Yes, it's a good idea for packages to do this, as it makes the koji logs much more useful. We do this for

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-02 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Jim, On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 23:49 +0200, Jim Meyering wrote: > Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 12:50 +0200, Ondřej Vašík wrote: > >> Mark McLoughlin wrote: > >> > On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 09:02 +0200, Ondřej Vašík wrote: > >> > &g

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-01 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 12:50 +0200, Ondřej Vašík wrote: > Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 09:02 +0200, Ondřej Vašík wrote: > > > Owen Taylor wrote: > > > > I was rather surprised to see: > > > > > > > > https://admin.fedora

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-01 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 09:02 +0200, Ondřej Vašík wrote: > Owen Taylor wrote: > > I was rather surprised to see: > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2009-6661 > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-6076 > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FED

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-06-30 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 14:05 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > But is this the type of upgrade that makes sense in general? It seems to > me that we should be very conservative in upgrading build tools, > especially in "maintenance mode" distributions like F9 and F10. Agreed, and if there was a truly co