Rahul Sundaram, Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:53 +0530:
It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't
cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then
it would have prudent to disable smart folders and indexing by
default and leave it enabled in Fedora
Matej Cepl, Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:32:26 +:
Rahul Sundaram, Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:53 +0530:
It was ok to ship a beta release of thunderbird but updates shouldn't
cause such issues. If the fixes were necessary to push as updates then
it would have prudent to disable smart folders
Henrik /KaarPoSoft, Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:20:44 +0200:
However, to compile blueZync, development packages for thunderbird and
sunbird are needed
(i.e. header files, idl files etc).
As far as I can see, not such -devel packages are available for Fedora
11 or 12.
When you install
Joshua C., Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:05:54 +0200:
Do we have a bug for this? If not, please do file one and include all
those information you collected for this thread together with /var/log/
Xorg.0.log (if possible after the problem happened -- on reboot put 3 to
the end of the kernel command line,
Matej Cepl, Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:26:09 +:
However, for personal reasons I
need to decrease my personal involvment in non-work related Fedora work.
I have still on my list:
* cycle -- Calendar program for women (any ladies would like to decrease
gender gap in Fedora packaging? Or would
Christoph Wickert, Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:58:58 +0200:
I'm going to take over nimbus. I already reviewed it and you asked me
for co-maintenance. Sorry I didn't find the time to look into the EPEL
build error sooner, it's still on my todo list.
Ownership released. Concernig bug
Dominic Hopf, Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:46:04 +0200:
syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution
I would like to maintain this package then.
Talk with Peter Robinson about comaintainership.
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Christoph Höger, Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:23:01 +0200:
2. The sync-ui binary (which I wanted to test the most ;)) is missing.
It is not missing in devel (now F-12) package. But it is still not
working correctly due to %{_libdir}/syncevolution packages.
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Peter Robinson, Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:09:20 +0100:
syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution
I'll take this one.
Released in pkgdb. Thanks.
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Jesse Keating, Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:39:16 -0700:
We've stopped caring about anything outside of the critical path.
Thanks for clarifying it. At least I know now that I should give up on
maintaining Fedora packages because nobody cares about them. Will do next
week.
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(intentionally breaking the thread so this is not burried somewhere in
depths)
Michal Schmidt, Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:15:30 +0200:
You're misinterpreting Jesse's quote out of context.
I am misunderstanding them (in case your interpretation is more correct).
So that's just that rel-eng doesn't
- Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
Bugs can include RFEs as well as actual brokeness. I don't think that
really buys you anything. And a bad maintainer could just file an RFE for an
upgrade and refer to that bug when they provide the upgrade.
Yes, of course, but I expect Fedora
Kevin Kofler, Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:58:15 +0200:
Yes. It slowed down builds, and it often triggered bizarre build
failures which were NOT bugs in the program, but in the toolchain or in
some core library like glibc, which in turn delayed important updates to
the affected packages.
I.e., it was
Steve Dickson, Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:41:51 -0400:
Maybe removing the Final Development part and replace it with
something like Beta Freeze (Bug Fixes ONLY) might have helped.
Well my problem with the current state is that it is not Bug Fixes
ONLY, we are getting to acks (Red Hat people know
Jeff Garzik, Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:55:56 -0400:
Both ppc and ppc64 have been excellent at catching software bugs in my
projects that long went unnoticed on i386/x86-64.
The lack of big endian builds by default is a notable loss, and will
lead to a decline in software quality.
I think this
Jesse Keating, Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:45:08 -0700:
Right, I've always taken it to mean Our experimental code is in, and
we're ready to take end user testing feedback on it which is different
from our code is in, but not really done, and we don't care if it's
broken because we're going to
Mail Lists, Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:23:11 -0400:
You might want to delete your .thunderbird directory and try again.
Im happy for you. For what its worth, I have several accounts too - not
just many mail folders.
My experience is that it is better to run IMAP server on localhost and
store all
Seth Vidal, Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:00:16 -0400:
We don't have anything sexier than 'We changed the compression system'?
in F12? I'm sure we can come up with something more interesting. Maybe
we changed the background of something.. That's more interesting than
this, right? :)
We made it much
Matej Cepl, Sun, 20 Sep 2009 05:55:50 +:
/me shakes his fist at comps and complaints for thousand times that we
* for the thousandth time
(shaking fist doesn't excuse me from English grammar)
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Colin Walters, Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:46:50 +:
These are wrong and should be in the comps group. Looks like Matthias
added them. I'll move them to comps now.
Which seems like to typical Fedora event ... after all FESCO approved
Features, code freezes, etc. etc., somebody just throws
Adam Williamson, Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:26:53 -0700:
Well, I think it's really the same issue. The problem is one of
expectation: we have two similar components, GNOME and KDE, in the same
distribution, following different update polices - GNOME favours stable,
KDE favours adventurous. This
Ralf Corsepius, Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:14:47 +0200:
I turned away from supporting Mr. Robinson, ignored his reviews and left
reviews to others
So you lost your right to slander him now.
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Adam Williamson, Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:38:43 -0700:
Oh, and the only non-fiction I read is the newspaper :)
Not only I was a lawyer, I was even in a PhD student in sociology/
criminology in my previous life. :)
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Ian Chapman, Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:47:23 +0800:
I'd like to see some consistency between how apps handle clipboard
content, when
1. The user highlights content and pastes using the middle mouse button
2. The user uses the copy paste menu options or hot keys.
Read this
Jesse Keating, Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:11:32 -0700:
Orphan: qt-qsa
LabPlot requires qt-qsa-devel = 1.1.5-6.fc11 LabPlot requires
libqsa.so.1
I am not Qt user, but isn't qt-qsa the only how to get SSL/TLS for many
(all?) Qt projects? (I know I had to install it for kopete and psi to
have
Sven Lankes, Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:42:07 +0200:
qt-qsa is the 'old' variant. The package containing the current code is
qca2 and that is still maintained.
Cool. I suspected I am out-of-date.
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Jeroen van Meeuwen, Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:30:46 +0200:
On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:13:14 +0200, Julian Aloofi
To be honest, I think environments that work like that won't use Fedora
anyway if it wasn't supported for at least three, let's say two and a
half, years.
Having to agree with your
Ralf Corsepius, Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:29:46 +0200:
I thought, we banned all non-utf-8 aware packages?
I agree, who needs grep after all :)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=194471
/kidding
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Ralf Corsepius, Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:29:46 +0200:
I thought, we banned all non-utf-8 aware packages?
And BTW zsh has been fixed not to corrupt non-ASCII filenames?
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Kevin Kofler, Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:07:39 +0200:
It's also a hard decision where to draw the line: will you accept a PDF
of Jules Verne's Around the World in 80 Days (which is in the public
domain) as well? What exact criteria make Dive into Python OK and Around
the World in 80 Days not?
And
Bill Nottingham, Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:43:10 -0400:
I'm not sure how distributable the KJV is or isnt', but it's explicitly
forbidden by the guidelines.
Of course, I suspect we'll now have someone claiming that the camel book
is actually a religous text.
Of course, and GNU Manifesto!
But, no
Jason L Tibbitts III, Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:32:48 -0500:
Open a ticket on their trac (https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/).
Hmm, it *is* complicated.
The issue here is that the guidelines explicitly permit documentation
and help files; diveintopython is obviously documenting Python, and if
it was
drago01, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:00:56 +0200:
Another don't use $LANGUAGE because its evil post from RMS.
($LANGUAGE has been Java, Javascript and now C#).
I am not big fan of RMS, but we have to admit that at least in case of
Java, he was just right, and among other things, because of strong
Kevin Kofler, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:08:11 +0200:
I'm not familiar with the JavaScript story, but if he really recommended
against using it, there was certainly a valid reason.
His point was that thousands of line of hardly obfuscated Javascript
(think Google Docs) is hard to recognize from
Peter Lemenkov, Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:25:10 +0400:
Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
yourself with wrong statement that many users (not redhat employees)
using Rawhide.
Actually in this case Red Hat employees are as good as any other user.
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Ralf Corsepius, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:22:47 +0200:
Yes, my Fedora 11 _desktop_ experience so far has been very negative, to
say the least.
And yes it says just a little about state of F11 desktop.
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梁穗隆, Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:51:30 +0800:
I am using f-spot to export my photos to picasa web album. It is much
better than Google Picasa for Linux. I know that gnote will replace
tomboy. I hope solang will replace f-spot for the reason that
sometimes after I upload photos to picasa web album
Frank Murphy, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:38:45 +0100:
Is there any contingency plans in place, for a worst case scenario if
C#, is lost? FesCo?
Sure, there is, but no need to panic ... sky is not falling yet (and
there are many reasons to believe it never will).
Note for example, that default
Jindrich Novy, Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:41:42 +0200:
then you can do:
# yum install texlive
Transaction Check Error:
file /usr/share/texmf from install of texlive-2008-0.1.fc11.x86_64
conflicts with file from package gnuplot-common-4.2.4-6.fc11.x86_64
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Matej Cepl, Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:21:43 +:
Jindrich Novy, Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:41:42 +0200:
then you can do:
# yum install texlive
Installing :
texlive-2008-0.1.fc11.x86_642/92
Error unpacking rpm package texlive-2008-0.1.fc11.x86_64
error: unpacking
Orcan Ogetbil, Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:16:36 -0400:
- Let's keep F-12 the same: ppc, ppc64, i586, x86_64 - Since ppc and
ppc64 are going to be dropped from F-13, fill in the blank spot with
i686+SSE2, i.e. F-13: i586, i686+SSE2, x86_64
Everyone happy?
No, I hate we will be missing other-endian
Josh Boyer, Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:28:04 -0400:
Another option would be to retain the current i586 support, and add the
i686+SSE2 as a new primary arch, with an eye towards depreciating the
current x32 support down the road. There would seem to be less initial
pain involved here, and everyone would
Charles Butterfield, Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:19:17 -0400:
Okay, so I mostly love Fedora. However, here are 4 things that got by
blood really, really boiling, so I thought I'd share my emotions. They
are mostly policy issues, where I think you have gotten it very very
wrong.
DON'T FEED THE
David Nalley, Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:00:25 -0400:
Perhaps I am the least well suited to respond as I did some of the
initial review.
However, there are at least 10 bundled libraries with ampache, including
pear-XML_RPC, nusoap, getid3, small snippets from Horde, captchaphp,
php-Snoopy, etc.
Reindl Harald, Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:45:21 +0200:
I think it is simple BAD to close bugreports with upstream! For me as
enduser of fedora i have one bugzilla and i really like to help with
bugreports, try things if maintainer needs better explains what happens.
As you can see from this thread,
Jaroslav Reznik, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:01:01 +0200:
Most bugs are filled by quite technically skilled users.
It doesn't seem so from my point of view. Depends on the importance of
the bug (when Xorg doesn't start at all, they find a way to bugzilla).
Moreover, we want to move from fora to
Ralf Corsepius, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:01:46 +0200:
We are not forcing anyone to do anything but we think direct
communication between user and developer is much more better
I consider maintainers redirecting arbitrary reporters to upstreams to
be rude and hostile, because they are presuming
Adam Williamson, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:35:07 -0700:
There's an obvious answer to this question: we track the importance of
issues to Fedora via the Fedora bug tracker, not via upstream bug
trackers. There's no way I can mark a bug in the KDE bug tracker as
blocking the release of Fedora 12.
For
Kevin Kofler, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:29:35 +0200:
gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.testers
http://list.gmane.org/fedora-test-l...@redhat.com
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Dennis J., Thu, 28 May 2009 21:02:05 +0200:
Murder is a crime, pornography isn't
There are many states (including many states of USA) where it is.
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Till Maas, Fri, 29 May 2009 15:01:29 +0200:
It seems more to me, that the Feature owner does not care, because the
package is very incomplete and I got no response from my comment in
December 2008 that Virtualbox won't make it into Fedora. Btw. how does
the Feature owner delete the page? It
Kevin Kofler, Fri, 29 May 2009 15:30:29 +0200:
You mean we should not name RPM Fusion?
You can. I probably can as well too (I haven't checked lately), but it is
just such fun not to name it. :)
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Tom Lane, Tue, 26 May 2009 19:00:19 -0400:
Unless everyone working on Fedora *moves* to the Isle of Man (and
obtains citizenship there), I don't think this sort of maneuver keeps us
out of trouble anyway. Realistically we all have to worry about the
laws of wherever we live. So as long as a
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