Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "CL" == Chris Lumens writes: CL> Making a new anaconda means making new first and second stage CL> images, which means making new CD and DVD images, which means a CL> huge headache for mirrors and for keeping track of all these CL> versions of images floating around. The thing is, if you'r

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On 3/23/06, Hans Kristian Rosbach wrote: > Just thought I'd voice this before the maintainers just let go > and completely focus on the one for FC6. I bet obvious fixes > will be detected in the starting phase of developing for FC6 > and those might be backported to FC5 aswell. Installer bugs hap

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Richard Hughes
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 09:30 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 3/22/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > Maybe we could do something here that really helps people, newbies who > > are just installing their first linux distribution. I dreamt of an > > anaconda that helps newbies make their first steps in Fed

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Garry Williams (gtwilli...@gmail.com) said: > > One thing that we really probably need to look at for FC6 > > is revisiting the time remaining algorithm. > > Yeah, it took about fifteen minutes after all packages were installed to > finish doing an update. That was long "1 minute remaining". :-

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread dragoran
Bill Nottingham wrote: dragoran (drago...@feuerpokemon.de) said: I don't know if this is a feature or a bug but it seems like a bug: I tryed a harddisk install (the image was on /dev/md0 ) but I could'nt select it it only showed all /dev/sd(a|b)X but not /dev/md0 any reason for that or is

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 21:29 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote: > What I found sad in anaconda during the installation process is the > permanent showing of our brand new logo for about 20 min, while anaconda > is copying files. We had in previous version of FC, texts talking about > the distribution itse

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 15:40 -0800, David Kewley wrote: > On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:38, Dimi Paun wrote: > > From: "Jeremy Katz" > > > > * Disk change indicators > > > > > > This comes up from time to time, I'm just not fully convinced of how > > > useful it is. > > > > Coupled with a better

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Chris Lumens
> I have to agree that the new installer is very nice. > But despite this I really wish you will apply some bugfixes > to anaconda and release it in updates. This of course does > not help with FC5, but it will help those who use anaconda > to make new distros or respins such as I plan to do (eithe

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Ian Pilcher
Paul Howarth wrote: > I upgraded a desktop box from FC4->FC5 yesterday, and my perception was > that the process was significantly slower (perhaps taking twice as > long?) as previous upgrades, e.g. FC3->FC4 on the same box. Can't > explain why that should be, unless of course it was to give me ple

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On 3/23/06, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > This step (what does that do, anyway?) is _slow_. 30 seconds per > schema on my 500MHz iBook. Updating gnome-games takes ages. I'd have to agree, I've seen the schema updates take quite a bit of time. So long in fact that I actually flip over and start a top to

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread David Cantrell
Hans Kristian Rosbach wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:45 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 10:12 -0500, Dimi Paun wrote: > > > First impression: anaconda really rocks! This is a > > > very solid, pleasant installer. > > > > Thanks -- always nice to see people not just flaming u

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Hans Kristian Rosbach
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 09:32 +0100, Hans Kristian Rosbach wrote: >> This time around I hope you will atleast take obvious >> bugfixes and maintain the FC5 anaconda atleast for a >> little while. I'm not asking for new features, only fixes. > >Are you asking this as a general idea or do you have spec

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 09:32 +0100, Hans Kristian Rosbach wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:45 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 10:12 -0500, Dimi Paun wrote: > > > First impression: anaconda really rocks! This is a > > > very solid, pleasant installer. > > > > Thanks -- always ni

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Dimi Paun
From: "Bill Crawford" > That said, a blinking text for failure *would* make it stand out; in > particular the whole red/green thing only works well when it's one of those > standing out in contrast to the other. In cases where there's only a small > amount of coloured text, it's not all that help

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On 3/22/06, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Maybe we could do something here that really helps people, newbies who > are just installing their first linux distribution. I dreamt of an > anaconda that helps newbies make their first steps in Fedora Core. Screw that... embedded game of nexuiz would be much

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Garry Williams
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:45 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 10:12 -0500, Dimi Paun wrote: [snip] > One thing that we really probably need to look at for FC6 > is revisiting the time remaining algorithm. Yeah, it took about fifteen minutes after all packages were installed to fi

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Paul Howarth
Igor Jagec wrote: Paul Howarth wrote: I upgraded a desktop box from FC4->FC5 yesterday, and my perception was Can you mount CD or DVD medias? I've upgrade FC4 via install media. Everything works fine on FC5 clean install, but not on upgrade from FC4. Didn't try; I always do NFS installs a

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:36:33 -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > I think installing gconf schemas got slower with the gconf backend > changes. This may have something to do with things, not sure. > > If that is a significant cause of the slowdowns, we can partially > alleviate the problem, by changi

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-23 Thread Hans Kristian Rosbach
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:45 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 10:12 -0500, Dimi Paun wrote: > > First impression: anaconda really rocks! This is a > > very solid, pleasant installer. > > Thanks -- always nice to see people not just flaming us :-P *snip* I have to agree that the n

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Igor Jagec
Paul Howarth wrote: > I upgraded a desktop box from FC4->FC5 yesterday, and my perception was Can you mount CD or DVD medias? I've upgrade FC4 via install media. Everything works fine on FC5 clean install, but not on upgrade from FC4. -- Igor Jagec

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread David Kewley
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:38, Dimi Paun wrote: > From: "Jeremy Katz" > > > * Disk change indicators > > > > This comes up from time to time, I'm just not fully convinced of how > > useful it is. > > Coupled with a better time estimate, it would be useful, no doubt. > Also copying the content

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, dragoran said: > I don't know if this is a feature or a bug but it seems like a bug: > I tryed a harddisk install (the image was on /dev/md0 ) but I could'nt > select it it only showed all /dev/sd(a|b)X but not /dev/md0 > any reason for that or is this a bug? Currently, hard di

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
dragoran (drago...@feuerpokemon.de) said: > I don't know if this is a feature or a bug but it seems like a bug: > I tryed a harddisk install (the image was on /dev/md0 ) but I could'nt > select it it only showed all /dev/sd(a|b)X but not /dev/md0 > any reason for that or is this a bug? Well, dep

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bill Crawford said: > Not entirely true. Most "colourblind" people have partial but slightly weak > receptivity to certain wavelengths (the most common forms being that they are > less sensitive to either red or green). In the majority of cases a solid > colour is distinguis

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Bill Crawford
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 19:32, Chris Adams wrote: > Don't use a green/red background as the difference; color blind people > can't tell the difference. Not entirely true. Most "colourblind" people have partial but slightly weak receptivity to certain wavelengths (the most common forms being

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Thomas Canniot
As Dimi Paun just shared his thoughts about anaconda, here is what i'm dreaming of for anaconda. What I found sad in anaconda during the installation process is the permanent showing of our brand new logo for about 20 min, while anaconda is copying files. We had in previous version of FC, texts ta

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Richard Hally
Jeremy Katz wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 10:12 -0500, Dimi Paun wrote: First impression: anaconda really rocks! This is a very solid, pleasant installer. Thanks -- always nice to see people not just flaming us :-P Very nice!! * Disk change indicators Not sure it's worth the troubl

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jeremy Katz said: > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 10:12 -0500, Dimi Paun wrote: > > A green/red background just for > > the word PASS/FAIL will help immensely. > > I think there's actually a bug about this. Doing it in newt isn't as > easy as one would hope, though :-/ I do ag

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Dimi Paun wrote: * Release Notes too big? I found them to be too big/verbose, especially for a light read during install. But maybe it's just me. Pretty much all of the information supplied in the release notes are just things that users have asked for in the previous releases. We h

Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Dimi Paun
From: "Jeremy Katz" > > Thanks -- always nice to see people not just flaming us :-P > Hey, don't get fooled by the flames, there's a lot of love here. We just get passionate about our views, that all :) > > * Disk change indicators > > This comes up from time to time, I'm just not fully con

Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Ray Strode
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:46 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 15:51 +, Paul Howarth wrote: > > I upgraded a desktop box from FC4->FC5 yesterday, and my perception was > > that the process was significantly slower (perhaps taking twice as > > long?) as previous upgrades, e.g. F

Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 15:51 +, Paul Howarth wrote: > I upgraded a desktop box from FC4->FC5 yesterday, and my perception was > that the process was significantly slower (perhaps taking twice as > long?) as previous upgrades, e.g. FC3->FC4 on the same box. Can't > explain why that should be,

Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 10:12 -0500, Dimi Paun wrote: > First impression: anaconda really rocks! This is a > very solid, pleasant installer. Thanks -- always nice to see people not just flaming us :-P > I do have a few _minor_ points that I think would > make it a bit nicer to use: > * PASS/FAIL

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 07:51, Paul Howarth wrote: > I upgraded a desktop box from FC4->FC5 yesterday, and my perception was > that the process was significantly slower (perhaps taking twice as > long?) as previous upgrades, e.g. FC3->FC4 on the same box. Can't > explain why that should be, unle

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Dimi Paun
From: "Matthew Miller" > > * The text based boot is ugly > That part has to remain small and failsafe I realize why it's done this way, my comment was from a user's perspective. We do have the graphical splash at bootloader time, would it be so risky to have it at boot time as well? > >

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Paul Howarth
Dimi Paun wrote: * Release Notes too big? I found them to be too big/verbose, especially for a light read during install. But maybe it's just me. I upgraded a desktop box from FC4->FC5 yesterday, and my perception was that the process was significantly slower (perhaps taking twice a

Re: Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 10:12:09AM -0500, Dimi Paun wrote: > * The text based boot is ugly > Rather minor point, but a graphical initial boot > would make for a less intimidating experience in > this otherwise flawless graphical installer. That part has to remain small and failsafe.

Anaconda: good work!

2006-03-22 Thread Dimi Paun
Hi Jeremy, Just wanted to share a few thoughts about anaconda, while fresh in my mind (I've managed to install FC5 last night). First impression: anaconda really rocks! This is a very solid, pleasant installer. I do have a few _minor_ points that I think would make it a bit nicer to use: * PAS