Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-20 Thread Axel Thimm
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:51:01AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > Not likely. dahdi-linux support is pretty spotty. atrpms can go a long > > > time > > > without having a version for a specific version Fedora. For example there > > > is no rawhide version now and there was a long period witho

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Till Maas wrote: > IMHO having both in RPMFusion with a proper dependency is the easiest > way to install it. Having some package with a missing kernel module > dependency in Fedora would only make it more complicated for other > repositories that provide the kernel module and can therefore provide

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:09:19 +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:25:00PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 18:31:03 +0200, > > > Why should we make peoples' lives harder getting the tools they > > > need? Example: Somebody without the DAHDI Kernel Mo

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Axel Thimm
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:25:00PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 18:31:03 +0200, > > Why should we make peoples' lives harder getting the tools they > > need? Example: Somebody without the DAHDI Kernel Modules would > > probably not try to use the DAHDI Tools since he prob

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 06:59:28PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Then our opions diverge: I think it should be a hard show stopper criterion. There should not be any room for any "cripple ware" in Fedora nor should Fedora be a stage for "closed s

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 06:59:28PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Then our opions diverge: I think it should be a hard show stopper criterion. > > There should not be any room for any "cripple ware" in Fedora nor should > Fedora be a stage for "closed source loaders". So it should apply to prett

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Then our opions diverge: I think it should be a hard show stopper criterion. There should not be any room for any "cripple ware" in Fedora nor sho

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Seth Vidal wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > Then our opions diverge: I think it should be a hard show stopper > > criterion. > > > > There should not be any room for any "cripple ware" in Fedora nor > > should Fedora be a stage

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 18:31:03 +0200, > Why should we make peoples' lives harder getting the tools they > need? Example: Somebody without the DAHDI Kernel Modules would > probably not try to use the DAHDI Tools since he probably won't even > know what it's good for. However It makes things easier

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 06:31:03PM +0200, Felix Kaechele wrote: > From the opposite POV: > Why should we make peoples' lives harder getting the tools they need? > Example: Somebody without the DAHDI Kernel Modules would probably not > try to use the DAHDI Tools since he probably won't even kno

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/14/2009 06:30 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:29:13PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/14/2009 03:04 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This modul

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/14/2009 06:30 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:29:13PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/14/2009 03:04 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This module is not a part of stock Fedora kernel (at leas

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Felix Kaechele
Original Message Subject: Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed? From: Ralf Corsepius To: Development discussions related to Fedora Date: 14.10.2009 17:29 IMO: no. Packages in Fedora should "just work" and therefore must not rely on anything which

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:29:13PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/14/2009 03:04 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: >> Hello All! >> >> Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This >> module is not a part of stock Fedora kernel (at least, yet), and we >> don't allow stand-alon

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/14/2009 03:04 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: >> Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This >> module is not a part of stock Fedora kernel (at least, yet), and we >> don't allow stand-alone kernel modules. >> >> W

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/14/2009 03:04 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This module is not a part of stock Fedora kernel (at least, yet), and we don't allow stand-alone kernel modules. Whether or not this package can be allowed? IMO: no. Pac

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:04:56PM +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello All! > > Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This > module is not a part of stock Fedora kernel (at least, yet), and we > don't allow stand-alone kernel modules. > > Whether or not this package c

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Felix Kaechele wrote: > Original Message   > Subject: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed? > From: Peter Lemenkov > To: Development discussions related to Fedora > Date: 14.10.2009 15:04 >> >> Imagine a

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2009/10/14 Stephen Gallagher : > This is an interesting question. Suppose someone wrote (for example) an > GPLed configuration tool for a closed-source hardware driver. Would it > be permissible to include an open-source tool in the distribution, even > knowing it would only ever be usable with a

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/14/2009 09:04 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello All! > > Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This > module is not a part of stock Fedora kernel (at least, yet), and we > don't allow stand-alone kernel modules. > >

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2009/10/14 Itamar Reis Peixoto : > yes, I am already told this for you. > > for example I have user-mode-linux user space but I don't have > user-mode-linux enabled in kernel. I have strong opinion, that this is a bad practice. So I decided to ask others. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
yes, I am already told this for you. for example I have user-mode-linux user space but I don't have user-mode-linux enabled in kernel. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello All! > > Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This > module is not

Re: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Felix Kaechele
Original Message Subject: Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed? From: Peter Lemenkov To: Development discussions related to Fedora Date: 14.10.2009 15:04 Hello All! Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This module is not a part of

Are packages w/o necessary kernel modules allowed?

2009-10-14 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! Imagine an application, which relies on a specific kernel module. This module is not a part of stock Fedora kernel (at least, yet), and we don't allow stand-alone kernel modules. Whether or not this package can be allowed? -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- fedora-devel-list