On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Mat Booth wrote:
> Orca then, whatever. Point is, it's possible without compiz.
Isn't Orca's magnifier getting phased out?
Yeah. And whenever GNOME Shell rolls out their new accessibility
magnifier...well, it's gonna need compositing. Like everything else.
Not
2009/12/5 Sir Gallantmon :
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>
>> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
>> > How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are*
>> > essential to them.
>>
>> They can use the plain old KMag which doesn't require any sort of
>> compo
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
> > How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are*
> > essential to them.
>
> They can use the plain old KMag which doesn't require any sort of
> compositing at all.
>
>Kevin Kofle
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
> How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are*
> essential to them.
They can use the plain old KMag which doesn't require any sort of
compositing at all.
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Hans Ulrich Niedermann (h...@n-dimensional.de) said:
> > > The big issue is with KMS on using radeonhd is like shooting
> > > yourself in the face. Either we need to patch radeonhd in Fedora to
> > > not start with KMS enabled or remove it from the distro.
> >
> > I am working on such a patch to
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:12:00 +0100
Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:20:20 +1000
> Dave Airlie wrote:
>
> > The big issue is with KMS on using radeonhd is like shooting
> > yourself in the face. Either we need to patch radeonhd in Fedora to
> > not start with KMS enabled or
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:20:20 +1000
Dave Airlie wrote:
> The big issue is with KMS on using radeonhd is like shooting yourself
> in the face. Either we need to patch radeonhd in Fedora to not start
> with KMS enabled or remove it from the distro.
I am working on such a patch to radeonhd right now
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 08:04 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 1.12.2009 21:43, Bill Nottingham napsal(a):
> > If the e1000 driver is broken in the kernel for some people, we don't
> > support
> > shipping an alternate driver. If a new version of the intel graphics driver
> > is broken for some people
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:01 +, Ikem Krueger wrote:
> > Nope, Bryce doesn't get to work on upstream in any significant way as
> > part of his Ubuntu work. I was chatting with Dave about this on IRC the
> > other day. The most significant submission to upstream X.org that's ever
> > come out of U
Matěj Cepl (mc...@redhat.com) said:
> Moreover, I don't know what's your problem with radeonhd driver in
> Fedora. Hanz does IMHO excellent job on maintaining it and it
> doesn't drag much additional resources on anybody (except on me,
> perhaps, because I triage bugs for him as well, which is the
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:35:52 -0500
Bill Nottingham wrote:
[ radeonhd vs radeon ]
> So, if our X maintainers won't handle bugs with it, we have a working
> default alternative that is maintained upstream, and it's *known* to
> be broken in the default configuration, why ship it? If we're trying
>
> Nope, Bryce doesn't get to work on upstream in any significant way as
part of his Ubuntu work. I was chatting with Dave about this on IRC the
other day. The most significant submission to upstream X.org that's ever
come out of Ubuntu is a quirk table. (yippee.)
Did you chatted with Bryce?
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Dne 1.12.2009 21:43, Bill Nottingham napsal(a):
If the e1000 driver is broken in the kernel for some people, we don't support
shipping an alternate driver. If a new version of the intel graphics driver
is broken for some people, we don't support shipping a pre-KMS version
of the driver.
Why woul
Ian Pilcher (arequip...@gmail.com) said:
> On 12/01/2009 09:35 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > So, if our X maintainers won't handle bugs with it, we have a working
> > default alternative that is maintained upstream, and it's *known* to
> > be broken in the default configuration, why ship it? If w
On 12/01/2009 09:35 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> So, if our X maintainers won't handle bugs with it, we have a working
> default alternative that is maintained upstream, and it's *known* to
> be broken in the default configuration, why ship it? If we're trying to
> focus on quality, I'm not sure wh
Dave Airlie (airl...@redhat.com) said:
> On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 08:07 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote:
> > Well, here's one graphics regression:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540476
> >
> > radeon.modeset=0 worked around the problem.
> >
> > (I'm not sure if it's filed against the ri
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:28 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Haïkel Guémar wrote:
> > Instead of whining, he should ask his employer to hire more X hackers,
> > one guy is obviously not *enough*.
> > This has nothing to do with our issue and Fedora at all.
>
> What i
On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 20:03 +, Ikem Krueger wrote:
> > The Bugzappers also always happy to have more people volunteer to help with
> > X.org bug triage; it's a lot of work to keep on top of.
>
> I'd like to help. But the wikipage for testing Xorg issues* is a way
> to much to read, given the
On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 09:23 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> > That doesn't scale. There's lots of useful pages in the Wiki. We can't
> > link to all of them from the front page.
> I was thinking of this more as a special Graphics debug push :)
Special cases are never a good idea.
> >> and add som
Le 30/11/2009 20:28, Jeff Spaleta a écrit :
>
> What is your definition of hacker? Is he contributing to X.org
> upstream development or is he just pulling patchsets to be applied to
> distribution specific packages?
>
Likely the second option, I'd expect from the company claiming
leadership on
> For the Qt-demo rendering issue on intel, it is fixed by Qt 4.6.
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Haïkel Guémar wrote:
> Instead of whining, he should ask his employer to hire more X hackers,
> one guy is obviously not *enough*.
> This has nothing to do with our issue and Fedora at all.
What is your definition of hacker? Is he contributing to X.org
upstream d
Le 30/11/2009 18:01, Linuxguy123 a écrit :
> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-Desktop-Help
>
>
>
Instead of whining, he should ask his employer to hire more X hackers,
one guy is obviously not *enough*.
This has nothing to do with our issue and Fedora at all
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:01 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-Desktop-Help
Let's see if I can summarize this article:
- we're getting too many bugs
- more testing will find more bugs
- therefore we should test more so we have fewer b
Le 30/11/2009 19:24, Jud Craft a écrit :
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
>> Rudolf Kastl writes:
>>> intel (i965) works fine...
>>
>> You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to
>> work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't an
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> Rudolf Kastl writes:
>> intel (i965) works fine...
>
> You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to
> work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't any more. With KMS,
> on
> the other hand, hibern
Linuxguy123 wrote:
> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-
Desktop-Help
They did exactly what some people suggested we do in this thread: stick with
an old X.org X11 release and try to fix its bugs on their own. You can see
the result in the article and its links
On 11/30/2009 05:05 PM, Peter Jones wrote:
On 11/27/2009 04:56 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than
simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
electrical energy than 2D to produce.
This isn't necessarily
On 11/27/2009 04:56 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than
> simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
> electrical energy than 2D to produce.
This isn't necessarily the case, in theory or in practice. I u
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Dave Airlie wrote:
Well, a couple of Fedoras back, X didn't work except with radeonhd,
but now radeon appears to support this one as well; I switched to it,
and the CPU issue is gone even with KMS. Now fonts (esp small ones)
look very smudgy though. But I suppose there are
On 11/30/2009 01:33 AM, Ikem Krueger wrote:
>> The Bugzappers also always happy to have more people volunteer to help with
>> X.org bug triage; it's a lot of work to keep on top of.
>
> I'd like to help. But the wikipage for testing Xorg issues* is a way
> to much to read, given the case you foll
Rudolf Kastl gmail.com> writes:
> intel (i965) works fine...
You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to
work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't any more. With KMS, on
the other hand, hibernate/thaw or suspend/resume causes the whole system to g
> > Which are the best Bugzilla components to register bugs against:
> >
> > X11 driver ATI: xorg-x11-drv-ati
> > 3D driver: mesa
> > DRM: kernel ???
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Terry
> >
> Where is the location of the DRM kernel module master git tree now ?
> It used to be at: http://cgit.freedesk
> The Bugzappers also always happy to have more people volunteer to help with
> X.org bug triage; it's a lot of work to keep on top of.
I'd like to help. But the wikipage for testing Xorg issues* is a way
to much to read, given the case you follow all the links on the site
and you need to do so t
On 11/28/2009 10:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 07:31 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Some really useful info in How_to_debug_Xorg_problems. I couldn't easily
find it from the main wiki home page however. Maybe a link to this page marked
"Graphics issues" could be made on the f
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 07:31 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> Some really useful info in How_to_debug_Xorg_problems. I couldn't easily
> find it from the main wiki home page however. Maybe a link to this page
> marked
> "Graphics issues" could be made on the front page (focus users on improving
> t
On 11/28/2009 08:36 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 07:31 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 13:17 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Dave Airlie wrote:
> > Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
> >
> > I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
> > as it makes things worse rather than better
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> You assume normal desktop users don't have requirement for 3D which is
> just plain wrong. Every modern desktop has made 3D a key part of the
> user interface. Even in Linux, this is increasingly the trend with
> Compiz and now GNOME Shell.
And KWin compositing / desktop ef
Am 2009-11-28 13:55, schrieb Ralf Ertzinger:
Hi.
On 28.11.2009 12:29, nodata wrote:
> X is *really* slow to me until the desktop has finished loading. So slow
> I can't select a username from the login screen unless I wait for a
> while. This didn't happen in F11.
Could that be the same as
Hi.
On 28.11.2009 12:29, nodata wrote:
> X is *really* slow to me until the desktop has finished loading. So slow
> I can't select a username from the login screen unless I wait for a
> while. This didn't happen in F11.
Could that be the same as
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=54187
Am 2009-11-27 04:53, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Terry Barnaby wrote:
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5 different
ones). All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups,
system lockups and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
That's surprising as
> Well, a couple of Fedoras back, X didn't work except with radeonhd, but now
> radeon appears to support this one as well; I switched to it, and the CPU
> issue is gone even with KMS. Now fonts (esp small ones) look very smudgy
> though. But I suppose there are already bug(s) open on this.
Don'
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Dave Airlie wrote:
Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
as it makes things worse rather than better. remove your xorg.conf
and turn modesetting on and if its still horri
On 11/28/2009 07:31 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live syst
On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system.
I did feed back this.
Right...that is ma
On 11/27/09, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
>> Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
>> gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
>> without 3d support...
>
> Note that gnome-shell working w
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 17:02 -0600, Sir Gallantmon wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram
> wrote:
> On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
>
> > 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources
> of
> > electrical energy than
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:32:04 +0100
drago01 wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata
> wrote:
> > On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
> >
> >> Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't
> >> have a composited desktop by default in Fedora,
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
>
>> Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't have
>> a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very
>> surprised. Just watch.
>
> Good thing al
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram
wrote:
> On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> > 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
> > electrical energy than 2D to produce. I don't expect that to change, and
> even
> > if it does, using more than necessary will r
> 3D cannot be essential to
> users of older hardware, since it turns their hardware into unresponsive mush.
How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are*
essential to them.
A friend of mine has an old computer, which is « turned into
unresponsive mush » by 3D, as you say.
On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
> Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't have
> a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very
> surprised. Just watch.
Good thing all puters don't depend on batteries for power.
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2009/11/28 Felix Miata :
> Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than
> simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
> electrical energy than 2D to produce.
lol. That was truly funny (and true)!
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On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
>
>> Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere.
>
>>> Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a
>>> thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xo
On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
> Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere.
>> Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a
>> thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg.
> Times and expectations change.
Physics don't
On 11/28/2009 02:49 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
>
>> On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>>> What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word "essential". Bling
>>> and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to n
On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
> On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
>
>> What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word "essential". Bling
>> and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word "essential". Bling
> and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
> users. I didn't use the word "useless". And yes, 3D is way more - way more
> overhead, way more i
On 2009/11/27 21:21 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
> Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:52:25 -0500 Felix Miata composed:
>> On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
>>> 3D shouldn't be considered as "nice to have" but an essential feature
>>> that should be working.
>> You can't be serious. 3D is an il
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 02:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/28/2009 02:13 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
>
> > We (Red Hat or Fedora) currently don't have access to any sort of
> > conformance suite for our GL though Intel and VMware have started at
> > least doing more and more regression test work
On 11/28/2009 02:13 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
> We (Red Hat or Fedora) currently don't have access to any sort of
> conformance suite for our GL though Intel and VMware have started at
> least doing more and more regression test work lately so less and less
> crap is making it way into the mainline a
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
> Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
> gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
> without 3d support...
3D driver for r600 is 35,000 lines just the chipset specific code,
Another 1
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
> Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
> gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
> without 3d support...
Note that gnome-shell working was quite high in Dave's priority list
(within
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 13:42 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:12:05 +1000,
> Dave Airlie wrote:
> >
> > Why do you think 3D should be working in 2009 as opposed to any previous
> > years btw? I'm interested in the logic that leads to this point.
>
> I think one thing t
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 10:02 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> > > > On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > > >
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
2009/11/27, drago01 :
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
>> On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
>>
>>> 3
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
>
>> 3D shouldn't be considered as "nice to have" but an essential feature
>> that should be working.
>
> You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only
> provides two d
On 11/27/2009 11:38 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
>
> Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
>
> I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
That makes sense. Why don't we drop this from Rawhide? Shipping
unsupported drivers like this is decep
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
> really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system.
> I did feed back this.
Right...that is mainly a product of what Dave mentioned, t
On 11/27/2009 07:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 09:35 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Also mentioned then I thought it would be good to have a basic, and simple
for users, graphics testing system to easily allow users to test and
feedback issues. Even if this is simply a short
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:12:05 +1000,
Dave Airlie wrote:
>
> Why do you think 3D should be working in 2009 as opposed to any previous
> years btw? I'm interested in the logic that leads to this point.
I think one thing that is changing expectations is ATI providing documentation
again. I was
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 09:35 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> Also mentioned then I thought it would be good to have a basic, and simple
> for users, graphics testing system to easily allow users to test and
> feedback issues. Even if this is simply a short list of 2D/3D applications
> and a list of o
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
> 3D shouldn't be considered as "nice to have" but an essential feature
> that should be working.
You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only
provides two dimensions. 3D is bling that I have 0 use for.
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On 11/26/2009 10:14 PM, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnaby wrote:
I really want to help and
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Dave Airlie wrote:
>
>> Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really
>> be working on all cards in 2009 ...
>> But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and
>> so a much wider scope for the testing is required
On 11/26/2009 10:12 PM, Dave Airlie wrote:
Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really
be working on all cards in 2009 ...
But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and
so a much wider scope for the testing is required here which requires
On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> > > On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
> > > >
> > > >Terry
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:18 +, Alex Hudson wrote:
> On 27/11/09 06:08, Dave Airlie wrote:
> > Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
> > I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
> > as it makes things worse rather than better.
>
>
On 27/11/09 06:08, Dave Airlie wrote:
Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
as it makes things worse rather than better.
If you do this, please consider having a radeonhd->radeon testing day
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 08:07 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >> I have not entered any bugzilla numbers as yet. I spent days with F11 and
> >> previous releases diagnosing reporting and attempting to fix bugs. No
> >> graphics updates were ever made availabl
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I have not entered any bugzilla numbers as yet. I spent days with F11 and
previous releases diagnosing reporting and attempting to fix bugs. No
graphics updates were ever made available for F11 and still Fedora cannot
run even Blender on most of my machi
Terry Barnaby wrote:
> I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5 different
> ones). All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups,
> system lockups and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
That's surprising as I've read mostly positive feedback about
Matthew Miller wrote:
> On the other hand, having a release which emphasizes stability over new
> features is an idea that's been around for a while.
That's actually mostly what F12 has been, partly due to RHEL scheduling,
partly due to the shortened release schedule to realign with our target
d
On 11/26/09, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> On 11/26/2009 04:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 04:08:27PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
>>> As you obviously know tracking down and reporting bugs like these do take
>>> a lot of time and effort, quite often more than actually fixing them. At
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 05:09:14PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> On 11/26/2009 04:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 04:08:27PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
>>> As you obviously know tracking down and reporting bugs like these do take
>>> a lot of time and effort, quite often more t
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> > On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
> > >Terry Barnaby wrote:
> > >> I really want to help and get a stable release and p
> Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really
> be working on all cards in 2009 ...
> But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and
> so a much wider scope for the testing is required here which requires more
> users over more time with many
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
> >Terry Barnaby wrote:
> >> I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug reports and
> >> even fix them if I can. But, the cur
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 20:16:54 +,
Terry Barnaby wrote:
>
> I have tried out F12 on 4 different systems, 2 with different ATI graphics and
> two with different Intel based boards. Only the last one appears to be able
> to run Blender. You mention "Airlie has continued development in the
>
Dne Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:46:54 -0600 Bruno Wolff III napsal(a):
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
> Terry Barnaby wrote:
> > I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug
> > reports and even fix them if I can. But, the current short term
> > release schedule, and no focu
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnaby wrote:
I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug reports and
even fix them if I can. But, the current short term release schedule, and no
focus on testing and fixing grap
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 13:46:54 -0600,
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> mesa-experimental-drivers and update xorg-x11-drv-ati. This won't get you
That should be:
mesa-dri-drivers-experimental
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On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnaby wrote:
> I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug reports and
> even fix them if I can. But, the current short term release schedule, and no
> focus on testing and fixing graphics issues, does not inspire me
> with confi
Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I have 4 bugs entered into bugzilla related to display problems and none
> of them get any attention. I even posted a warning to the group about
> this matter. (See November 16, "Warning about possible display issues
> with F12 upgrade".)
If these are the ones you linked to ea
On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:27, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 05:05 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5
different ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the
On 11/26/2009 05:05 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5
different ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups, system
lockups
and other prob
On 11/26/2009 04:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 04:08:27PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
As you obviously know tracking down and reporting bugs like these do take
a lot of time and effort, quite often more than actually fixing them. At
the moment
with the frequency of Fedora rele
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5
different ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups,
system lockups
and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
I stil
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5
different ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups,
system lockups
and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
I stil
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