I was reading an article today in ComputerWorld about something called
KSplice, which allows Linux users to install critical updates and patch in
without rebooting the computer. I tried it and while it was a bit odd for
installing (not auto-disabling the Ubuntu update system), it worked very
well.
I understand Microsoft has patented this technology so it is currently
no-go for inclusion.
On 29/06/2009, King InuYasha wrote:
> I was reading an article today in ComputerWorld about something called
> KSplice, which allows Linux users to install critical updates and patch in
> without rebooting
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:19:53PM +, Christopher Brown wrote:
>I understand Microsoft has patented this technology so it is currently
>no-go for inclusion.
[jwbo...@hansolo ~]$ koji latest-pkg dist-f11 ksplice
Build Tag Built by
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:19:53PM +, Christopher Brown wrote:
> >I understand Microsoft has patented this technology so it is currently
> >no-go for inclusion.
>
> [jwbo...@hansolo ~]$ koji latest-pkg dist-f11 ksplice
> Build
On 06/29/2009 05:21 PM, King InuYasha wrote:
I was reading an article today in ComputerWorld about something called
KSplice, which allows Linux users to install critical updates and
patch in without rebooting the computer. I tried it and while it was a
bit odd for installing (not auto-disabling
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> From looking at their website, it sounds like this software can take
> you from say kernel 2.6.27 to 2.6.29 without rebooting? Sounds like
> black magic. I'm intrigued.
It actually can't and this is why it isn't very useful within Fedora, as we
get big updates, not ju
On 06/29/2009 09:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
It actually can't and this is why it isn't very useful within Fedora, as we
get big updates, not just minimal security patches. KSplice can't handle
that kind of updates. It can only handle small patches which don't change
any data structures. So the of
On 06/29/2009 10:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> It can only handle small patches which don't change
> any data structures. So the official Fedora kernel updates will never be
> suitable to be distributed through KSplice.
And to date there hasn't really been any compelling reason to issue tiny
patch
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote:
> On 06/29/2009 10:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > It can only handle small patches which don't change
> > any data structures. So the official Fedora kernel updates will never be
> > suitable to be distributed through KSplice.
>
> And to date
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:21 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
> I was reading an article today in ComputerWorld about something called
> KSplice, which allows Linux users to install critical updates and
> patch in without rebooting the computer. I tried it and while it was a
> bit odd for installing (not
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:22 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
> Also, while KSplice is currently being used for kernel updates, it
> isn't limited to those. It could be adapted to work for other updates
> that normally force a reboot. Though, I can't think of any off the top
> of my head, it has been o
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:38 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
> Then Linux shouldn't be compiled using kmods and instead as a
> monolithic binary, since kernel modules fall under the patent.
> Besides, there are tons of prior art on it. KSplice is a good
> technology that could possibly be integrated
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:38:58 -0500, you wrote:
>technology that could possibly be integrated in. fedora-ksplice is
>only build scripts for the kernel it looks like. ksplice
The fedora-ksplice script are doing the following:
1.) Getting the sources of the current running fedora kernel
2.) Prepar
Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> The difference with what Ksplice inc. are now offering for Ubuntu is
> that they also provide a stream of pre-prepared updates for the released
> Ubuntu kernels (the "Uptrack" service).
And as I explained, this can't be done for the released Fedora kernels
(because they get
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 17:34 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> > The difference with what Ksplice inc. are now offering for Ubuntu is
> > that they also provide a stream of pre-prepared updates for the released
> > Ubuntu kernels (the "Uptrack" service).
>
> And as I explained, t
On 06/30/2009 11:59 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> I do think that the applicability of this tool to a
> distribution like Fedora is probably a lot less than it would be for
> e.g. one of the "enterprise" distributions for the simple fact that end
> users who are particularly intolerant to reboots are
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Am 30.06.2009 19:04, schrieb Bill McGonigle:
> ksplice updates are only available for:
>
> 1. kernels that have been the lastest kernel in the past two weeks
> 2. kernel updates that are remotely exploitable
> 3. kernel updates that rate 'high' on CVSS
Dnia 2009-06-30, o godz. 10:35:13
"Bryn M. Reeves" napisał(a):
> If parts of userspace cannot re-initialise themselves without a reboot
> then they should just be fixed. Even init has been able to do this for
> years now - resorting to exotic live-patching methods for updating
> userspace is just
Bill McGonigle wrote:
> The parenthetical is the actual reason people don't like to reboot and
> may ignore security updates. Boot times are trivial in comparison to
> restoring one's application state, for anything beyond the most trivial
> of use cases.
The average home user turns his/her compu
Hi folks,
Ksplice is very interesting and I've spoken with a few people about it
before. I met the (local to Cambridge, MA) ksplice guys several times
and recently talked to them about the kinds of things they're doing
right now. Uptrack is a nice showcase of the technology for sure.
More comment
Kevin Kofler writes:
> Bill McGonigle wrote:
>> The parenthetical is the actual reason people don't like to reboot and
>> may ignore security updates. Boot times are trivial in comparison to
>> restoring one's application state, for anything beyond the most trivial
>> of use cases.
>
> The avera
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Frank Schmitt wrote:
> Kevin Kofler writes:
>
> > Bill McGonigle wrote:
> >> The parenthetical is the actual reason people don't like to reboot and
> >> may ignore security updates. Boot times are trivial in comparison to
> >> restoring one's application state, f
Jon Masters wrote:
> That's a load of . I'm not sure where you get this idea from -
> perhaps because it's not obvious how they might achieve structural
> updates and so you assume it cannot be done - but actually, they can
> handle most kinds of update. They achieve this with shadow data
> structu
Frank Schmitt wrote:
> I think most people hibernate or suspend when they go to sleep.
Those people must be trusting their hardware and software (drivers in
particular) a lot more than I do. ;-)
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Am 01.07.2009 17:16, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> Those people must be trusting their hardware and software (drivers in
> particular) a lot more than I do. ;-)
This behaviour is not right in the time of climatic change.
Running a system 7x24 hours make onl
Jochen Schmitt wrote:
> Am 01.07.2009 17:16, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
>> Those people must be trusting their hardware and software (drivers in
>> particular) a lot more than I do. ;-)
> This behaviour is not right in the time of climatic change.
Whose behavior? Turning the computer off completely de
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Am 01.07.2009 17:48, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> Whose behavior? Turning the computer off completely definitely
> saves more power than suspend to RAM and on some machines also
> suspend to disk (hibernate).
Yes, and this is the reason why a desktop user s
If your desktop doubles as a server, then no you don't turn off the
computer...
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
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> Am 01.07.2009 17:48, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> > Whose behavior? Turning the computer off completely definitel
On 06/30/2009 06:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> The average home user turns his/her computer off when going to sleep, so
> he/she reboots at least once per day.
Can we measure this? My anecdotal evidence says most home users walk
away from the computer and let the default power management settings
On 01/07/09 17:38, Bill McGonigle wrote:
On 06/30/2009 06:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The average home user turns his/her computer off when going to sleep, so
he/she reboots at least once per day.
Unless they are into torrents\limewire, then it's 24/7.
Their is quite a lot of normal users in
On 06/30/2009 01:20 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
> Am 30.06.2009 19:04, schrieb Bill McGonigle:
>> > ksplice updates are only available for:
>> >
>> > 1. kernels that have been the lastest kernel in the past two weeks
>> > 2. kernel updates that are remotely exploitable
>> > 3. kernel updates that rat
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Am 01.07.2009 18:44, schrieb Bill McGonigle:
> Because Fedora has several kernel update in the
>> lifetime, you have to create a ksplice kernelpatch for each
>> kernel release which is available on Fedora.
>
> Since you quoted my post with criteria to
On 07/01/2009 01:48 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
>
> On Fedora we have kernels from the 2.6.27 and from the 2.6.28 series.
> This means, that you have to create seperates kernel patch modules for
> each kernel release which was submitted for Fedora-10.
This is why I suggested it would be practical t
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 14:19 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote:
> On 07/01/2009 01:48 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
> >
> > On Fedora we have kernels from the 2.6.27 and from the 2.6.28 series.
> > This means, that you have to create seperates kernel patch modules for
> > each kernel release which was submit
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