Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/05/2009 06:22 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On Fri, December 4, 2009 9:20 pm, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/03/2009 07:22 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 06:24 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Yes, for people who are doing "full featured networked installs" w/ custom kickstart fil

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
On Fri, December 4, 2009 9:20 pm, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/03/2009 07:22 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 06:24 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> Yes, for people who are doing "full featured networked installs" w/ >>> custom kickstart files. I've never met such a person. >> >>

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/03/2009 07:22 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 06:24 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: People doing network installs can either add the updates repo to their kickstart, or check the box in the anaconda UI, so that the updates repos are considered at install time. No download of d

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 06:24 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > People doing network installs can either add the updates repo to their > > kickstart, or check the box in the anaconda UI, so that the updates > > repos are considered at install time. No download of duplicate data. > Yes, for people who

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 06:51 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding > > updated pkgs into the path. > > Woa!!! With all due respect, but this would seem an stupid and silly > plan to me. The only way not to do that would be to mai

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 09:12 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Seth Vidal wrote: >> If you're looking for perfect division, sure - but the reality is this: >> >> 19K items in a single dir and ext3 and nfs and many many other things crap >> themselves returning that list. >> >> If you make 36 subdirs (26+10) perform

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/03/2009 08:20 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 00:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >>> We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding >>> updated pkgs into the path. So you'd still have the number of pk

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/03/2009 12:24 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/02/2009 06:40 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: >> People doing network installs can either add the updates repo to their >> kickstart, or check the box in the anaconda UI, so that the updates >> repos are considered at install time. No download of dupl

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 08:20 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > >> We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding > >> updated pkgs into the path. So you'd still have the number of pkgs -just > >> all in one repo, that you have to download all of the metadata for all of > >> the mo

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Jesse Keating
On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:28, James Antill wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 10:29 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 2 décembre 2009 23:56, Matt Domsch a écrit : On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 07:35:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.o

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Liang Suilong
I think that idea maybe isn't benefit with repository. If updates repository is merged into Everything repository, Will metadata files become too large? I know that the size of metadatas on updates and everything are more than 30 megabytes. If these two repositories compose, We will need download

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 10:29 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mer 2 décembre 2009 23:56, Matt Domsch a écrit : > > > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 07:35:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org > >> (make sure it works with web i

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 00:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding updated pkgs into the path. So you'd still have the number of pkgs -just all in one repo, that you have to download all of t

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Andreas Schwab
Matt Domsch writes: > We're at a point where 'ls in a directory' is becoming difficult even; > you can't glob 15k package names in a shell. Recent kernels have no argv limit any more. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84 5EC7 45C6 250E

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 2 décembre 2009 23:56, Matt Domsch a écrit : > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 07:35:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org >> (make sure it works with web infrastructure instead of fighting it) > > Sorry, I don't understand t

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Adam Williamson [03/12/2009 10:10] : > > I don't think that was actually made clear in the initial proposal. I'd > been assuming that the proposal was _exactly_ to remove the GA set. No can do. People who install from the netinst CD or do PXE installs without adding the updates repo during the i

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 00:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding > updated pkgs into the path. So you'd still have the number of pkgs -just > all in one repo, that you have to download all of the metadata for all of > the more often,

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread shmuel siegel
Ralf Corsepius wrote: Your concern is the bigger repodata? My download of repodata towards the end of a release, or from rawhide, is usually bigger than my download of packages. So yes, this would make a difference. On the otherhand, there probably could be a repodiff that would alleviate a l

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/03/2009 06:32 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/02/2009 07:09 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: the merger of repos is already happening at the yum layer. On the client's side - With a combined Everything+updates, this would happen on the server side. It's o

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/02/2009 07:09 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: the merger of repos is already happening at the yum layer. On the client's side - With a combined Everything+updates, this would happen on the server side. It's one of the aspects which made me said "a c

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/02/2009 07:09 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: the merger of repos is already happening at the yum layer. On the client's side - With a combined Everything+updates, this would happen on the server side. It's one of the aspects which made me said "a combined Everything+updates shifts costs from

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/02/2009 06:40 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 18:09 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: * It shifts "costs" from "users" to "vendor" and from "mirrors" to "master". * It helps users who are using networked installs to spare bandwidth (avoids downloading obsolete packages from "Eve

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Mike McGrath
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 17:58:24 -0500, > Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > I tested it on our backend to be sure. getting the complete pkglist > > goes from taking 5 minutes to take 30s. > > > > yes, I said 5 minutes. > > Have you tried any of the tunning k

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:01:49PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote: > >You owe me $5. It hasn't been a week and you haven't sent me your address. I did notice though, so keep up the good work ;) josh -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinf

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: If you're looking for perfect division, sure - but the reality is this: 19K items in a single dir and ext3 and nfs and many many other things crap themselves returning that list. If you make 36 subdirs (26+10) performance gets DRAMAT

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Seth Vidal wrote: > If you're looking for perfect division, sure - but the reality is this: > > 19K items in a single dir and ext3 and nfs and many many other things crap > themselves returning that list. > > If you make 36 subdirs (26+10) performance gets DRAMATICALLY better for > producing the

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 17:58:24 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I tested it on our backend to be sure. getting the complete pkglist goes from taking 5 minutes to take 30s. yes, I said 5 minutes. Have you tried any of the tunning knobs to have the dir

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 17:58:24 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > I tested it on our backend to be sure. getting the complete pkglist > goes from taking 5 minutes to take 30s. > > yes, I said 5 minutes. Have you tried any of the tunning knobs to have the directory cache be alotted more space or g

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:08:06PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 16:58 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > The separate Everything tree that does not get obsoleted is required > > > in some form for GPL complianc

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 16:58 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > The separate Everything tree that does not get obsoleted is required > > in some form for GPL compliance, with respect to the ISO images that > > we ship. Any new solution wo

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 06:05 PM, James Antill wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:46 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: >> so that every directory has about the same number of things. > > This should be fairly easy to code, but has a big downside: > > Packages will move directories. > > 1. This will upset

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:46 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: > (on my on tangent...) > > On 12/02/2009 12:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > > I hypothesize that we could place all rpms for a given release > > in a single directory (seth will hate this as he wants to split them up > > based on first letter of

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/02/2009 05:58 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/02/2009 03:53 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 05:58 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: > >> (on my on tangent...) >> >> On 12/02/2009 12:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: >>> I hypothesize that we could place all rpms for a given release >>> in a single directory (seth will hate this as he wants to sp

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 05:58 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: > >> On 12/02/2009 03:53 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: >>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure it works with web infra

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/02/2009 03:53 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure it works with web infrastructure instead of fighting it) I don't think that would wo

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > The separate Everything tree that does not get obsoleted is required > in some form for GPL compliance, with respect to the ISO images that > we ship. Any new solution would have to preserve this. ? We provide Fedora-*-source-disc

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: (on my on tangent...) On 12/02/2009 12:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: I hypothesize that we could place all rpms for a given release in a single directory (seth will hate this as he wants to split them up based on first letter of their name for better file

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 07:35:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org > (make sure it works with web infrastructure instead of fighting it) Sorry, I don't understand this. Can you elaborate? That would help me scope the impact t

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:03:51PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:52 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > Isn't this, eventually, what the packagedb is supposed to be able to > > do? > > I gather it's a "ls in a directory" kind of thing, not an interface to > one tool or another ki

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 03:53 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org >> (make sure it works with web infrastructure instead of fighting it) > > I don't think that would work fine with a lot of our mirrors.

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 05:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:52 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: >> Isn't this, eventually, what the packagedb is supposed to be able to >> do? > > I gather it's a "ls in a directory" kind of thing, not an interface to > one tool or another kind of thing. But I

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
(on my on tangent...) On 12/02/2009 12:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > I hypothesize that we could place all rpms for a given release > in a single directory (seth will hate this as he wants to split them up > based on first letter of their name for better filesystem performance), Ugh, first letter

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 2.12.2009 17:06, Josh Boyer napsal(a): However, other than 'browsing manually for packages', I'm not really sure what problem you are trying to solve by getting rid of the updates repository. It would seem like this has quite a bit of cost for relatively little to no real gain? I am usuall

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:52 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > Isn't this, eventually, what the packagedb is supposed to be able to > do? I gather it's a "ls in a directory" kind of thing, not an interface to one tool or another kind of thing. But I could be wrong. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² i

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Since people are posting wishes, here is mine: 1. stop shuffling packages from directory to directory as they get promoted/demoted from release to release we sort of do this now with hardlinks - the problem is when we have to resign the pkgs.

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 13:09 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I guess what I don't see is what the net benefit is here. From what I can gather... A) a single path to look at when manually looking for rpms. Isn't this, eventually, what the packagedb is supp

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matthew Booth said: > The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been > using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when > searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when > you're configuring yum. Are these r

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Since people are posting wishes, here is mine: 1. stop shuffling packages from directory to directory as they get promoted/demoted from release to release 2. have a single authoritative URL for each package 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure it work

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 13:09 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > I guess what I don't see is what the net benefit is here. From what I can gather... A) a single path to look at when manually looking for rpms. B) only one config entry to mess with when modifying repos for a release (my alternate proposal d

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:39 +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much t

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:58 +, Matthew Booth wrote: > The GA package could be kept around as a separate, static repo nobody > uses under normal circumstances. Combining GA+updates into a single repo > would not consume additional bandwidth for anybody at all, and only > testers would have to

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:06 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > so it's certainly a technical possibility. It does have implications > though. Off the top of my head, I can think of: > > 1) Composing a new everything tree for updates would lead to larger > compose times. That could possibly mean that g

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, James Cassell wrote: On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:47:17 -0500, Matthew Booth wrote: So, create a meta-repo that just says "I'm the combination of these several repos over here"? Of course, it'd require modification of all the programs that know how to talk to repos...

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 05:47:17PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: > On 02/12/09 16:06, Josh Boyer wrote: > >On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:44:08PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: > >>On 02/12/09 15:26, Josh Boyer wrote: > >>>On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: > The separate upd

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
On 02/12/09 17:40, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 18:09 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: * It shifts "costs" from "users" to "vendor" and from "mirrors" to "master". * It helps users who are using networked installs to spare bandwidth (avoids downloading obsolete packages from "Everythi

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread James Cassell
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:47:17 -0500, Matthew Booth wrote: Any tool which deals with repositories requires the repo to be configured twice. Off the top of my head I can think of: 1. yum separate repo and updates-repo in yum.conf. 2. livecd tools two repos in kickstart 3. revisor

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:39 +, Matthew Booth wrote: > The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been > using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when > searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when > you're configuring

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
On 02/12/09 16:06, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:44:08PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: On 02/12/09 15:26, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Matthew Booth wrote: > > That's not a bug, it's a feature! Seriously, wasn't it a specific F10 or F11 > feature that anaconda allowed the user to specify that updates be installed > at installation time? Certainly I used to have Debianites crow at me that my > insta

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 18:09 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > * It shifts "costs" from "users" to "vendor" > and from "mirrors" to "master". > * It helps users who are using networked installs to spare bandwidth > (avoids downloading obsolete packages from "Everything"/"Fedora"). > > Admitted, fo

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
On 02/12/09 16:09, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when y

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:39 +, Matthew Booth wrote: > The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been > using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when > searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when > you're configuring

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
On 02/12/09 16:01, Justin M. Forbes wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/02/2009 06:01 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:06:22AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: However, other than 'browsing manually for packages', I'm not really sure what problem you are trying to solve by getting rid of the updates repository. It would seem like this has quite a

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: we ship. Any new solution would have to preserve this. Might there also be export compliance implications too? A larger isssue is constantly having the repodata for the everything

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:06:22AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > 1) Composing a new everything tree for updates would lead to larger > compose times. That could possibly mean that getting updates out would > take > 1 day per 'push'. We've been trying to improve updates push > times so it would be a

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:28:24AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > The separate Everything tree that does not get obsoleted is required > > in some form for GPL compliance, with respect to the ISO images that > > we ship. Any new solution would have to preserve this. > > Might there also be

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ralf Corsepius (rc040...@freenet.de) said: > Does the FSF/GPL demand to keep a repo around for ISOs? > A "rolling Everything" would not touch the ISOs. They would still be around. The LiveCD/spins satisfy their source requirements via the source repositories; they do not compose separate live sou

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/02/2009 05:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:17 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/02/2009 05:09 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:17 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/02/2009 05:09 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: > >> The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've > >> been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to > >

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: > > The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've > > been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to > > look when searching for packages manually, an

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/02/2009 05:09 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure w

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 10:01:51AM -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: > > The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been > > using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when > > searching

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Naheem Zaffar
2009/12/2 Justin M. Forbes > The only downside to merging updates into the main repository... I would also assume that the repo data will need to be regenerated and often be much larger than the one that is for the updates only repository, so there will be acost to end users with this proposed

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: > The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've > been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to > look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to > configure when you're configuring yum. It has never

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:44:08PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: > On 02/12/09 15:26, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: >>> The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been >>> using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Justin M. Forbes
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: > The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been > using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when > searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're > confi

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jon Ciesla
Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:00:53AM -0600, Jon Ciesla wrote: Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twic

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
On 02/12/09 15:26, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much t

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: > The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been > using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when > searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when > you're co

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:00:53AM -0600, Jon Ciesla wrote: > Matthew Booth wrote: >> The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've >> been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to >> look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to >>

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Robert Marcano
On 12/02/2009 10:30 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're configuring y

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/02/2009 03:39 PM, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're configuring yum. It has never be

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jon Ciesla
Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're configuring yum. It has never benefitted me, or anybo

Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're configuring yum. It has never benefitted me, or anybody I know, but it has