This might not be a big thing, but I was always rather annoyed that KDE
applications didn't integrate nicely into the GNOME desktop. When KDE is the
desktop, GNOME applications (except XUL based ones) looked very much in
place and felt normal in a KDE system. KDE applications in a GNOME desktop
ten
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 13:55 -0400, Christopher Beland wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 15:27 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > If you have ideas for
> > other areas that could benefit from this kind of attention, please let
> > us know.
>
> I can think of a number of different cross-component tests
Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:45:19AM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> In Ubuntu there's a "Help" button on the top menu bar that leads to a
>> nice help application, yelp. We have that app too, but it doesn't
>> seem to have the same contents, which are:
>>
>> New to Ubuntu?
>
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> To achieve this, we will hold regular test days, each of which will
> focus on use cases in a certain area. A few ideas for test day topics
Overall, an excellent idea and plan. We had some very good results
with an OLPC test group in Wellin
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:45:19AM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
>
> > we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
> >
> > with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
> >
Matthias Clasen wrote:
> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
>
> with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
> want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make
> everyd
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Nicolas
Mailhot wrote:
>
>
> Le Lun 29 juin 2009 22:05, Peter Lemenkov a écrit :
>
>> Please, keep in mind, that almost nodoby using Rawhide
>
> Which is why rawhide quality needs to improve because rawhide is the
> next Fedora version and if it's not usable now F12
Le Lun 29 juin 2009 22:05, Peter Lemenkov a écrit :
> Please, keep in mind, that almost nodoby using Rawhide
Which is why rawhide quality needs to improve because rawhide is the
next Fedora version and if it's not usable now F12 will start will
mass updates and destabilization as usual.
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Ralf Corsepius, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:22:47 +0200:
> Yes, my Fedora 11 _desktop_ experience so far has been very negative, to
> say the least.
And yes it says just a little about state of F11 desktop.
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Peter Lemenkov, Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:25:10 +0400:
> Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
> yourself with wrong statement that many users (not redhat employees)
> using Rawhide.
Actually in this case Red Hat employees are as good as any other user.
Matěj
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>> >> As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you to show
>> >> some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
>> >
>> > Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
>> > yourself with wrong statement that many users (not redhat employees)
>> > using Rawhide.
>>
>>
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you to show
> >> some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
> >
> > Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
> > yourself with wrong statement that many users (not redh
>> As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you to show
>> some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
>
> Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
> yourself with wrong statement that many users (not redhat employees)
> using Rawhide.
Smolt statistics for e
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
>>>
>>> That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
>>> create another useless initiative?
>>
>> Huh? your on the devel list and you don't
Seth Vidal wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you to
show some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
The shape of Fedora 11 speaks for itself.
speaking of dramatic and negative.
Yes, my Fedora 11 _desktop_ expe
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you to show
some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
The shape of Fedora 11 speaks for itself.
speaking of dramatic and negative.
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Jesse Keating wrote:
On Jun 29, 2009, at 16:05, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2009/6/29 Peter Robinson :
Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
create another useless initiative?
Please, keep
t use
Rawhide, and this initiative will be doomed.
I think your initial point was a reasonable one. However, I don't
think there's really any need to pick a fight here. Allow some time
for people to respond to your points. And perhaps "doomed" was a bit
overly dramatic, no?
Am Montag, den 29.06.2009, 15:27 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
> Hey all,
>
> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
>
> with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
> want to identify the sma
Hey Peter,
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>>> Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
>>
>> That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
>> create another useless initiative?
>
> Huh? your on the devel list and you do
27;t use
> Rawhide, and this initiative will be doomed.
I think your initial point was a reasonable one. However, I don't
think there's really any need to pick a fight here. Allow some time
for people to respond to your points. And perhaps "doomed" was a bit
overly d
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> 2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen :
> > Hey all,
> >
> > we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
> >
> > with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora deskt
Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On 06/29/2009 03:48 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
>> 2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen :
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
>>>
>>>
>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
>>>
>>> with the goal to improve the user experience
On Jun 29, 2009, at 16:25, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2009/6/30 Jesse Keating :
As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you
to show
some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
yourself with wrong statement that
2009/6/30 Peter Robinson :
>> I repeat - this initiative should be based only (exclusively) on
>> current releases.
> What a load of crap! I use rawhide as do hundreds of other testers.
You contradicting to yourself - if you have many (enough to say that
their number is huge) crash test dummies
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you should focus
> entirely on actual Fedora releases rather than on Rawhide. However I
> see that in testing days you still encourage only users with
> up-to-date Rawhide installations. That'
2009/6/30 Jesse Keating :
> As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you to show
> some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
yourself with wrong statement that many users (not redhat employees)
using Rawhide.
--
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 00:05:19 +0400,
Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> 2009/6/29 Peter Robinson :
>
> > Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
>
> That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
> create another useless initiative?
Because the r
>> Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
>
> That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
> create another useless initiative?
Huh? your on the devel list and you don't use rawhide? Maybe I should
introduce you to the fedora-test list.
On Monday 29 June 2009 21:27:27 Matthias Clasen wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
>
> with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
> want to identify the small (and somet
On Jun 29, 2009, at 16:05, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2009/6/29 Peter Robinson :
Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the
improvements :)
That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
create another useless initiative?
Please, keep in mind, that almost
2009/6/30 Casey Dahlin :
> These aren't typically the sort of issues you can fix in a running release.
> UI is one of those things we expect to remain stable through the cycle.
Even if average user(s) feel uncomfortable? Oh, come on!
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:04:03PM -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote:
> > If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you should focus
> > entirely on actual Fedora releases rather than on Rawhide. However I
> > see that in testing days you still encourage only users with
> > up-to-date Rawhide installa
2009/6/29 Peter Robinson :
> Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
create another useless initiative?
Please, keep in mind, that almost nodoby using Rawhide == nobody will
participate except f
On 06/29/2009 03:48 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> 2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen :
>> Hey all,
>>
>> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
>>
>> with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop.
>
> If you wi
>> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
>>
>> with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop.
>
> If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you should focus
> entirely on actual Fedora releases
2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen :
> Hey all,
>
> we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
>
> with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop.
If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you should focus
enti
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make
everyday computer use harder than
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