Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-22 Thread Hans de Goede
On 10/06/2009 06:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 16:27 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Thanks for bringing this up. I'll create a patch for the scripts generating the livecd to add rd_NO_LUKS to the normal livecd syslinux.cfg entry. I already was planning on doing this, but I

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-22 Thread Hans de Goede
On 10/22/2009 01:46 PM, Hans de Goede wrote: On 10/06/2009 06:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 16:27 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Thanks for bringing this up. I'll create a patch for the scripts generating the livecd to add rd_NO_LUKS to the normal livecd syslinux.cfg entry.

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Hi Ray, I have to disagree. And why? Becuase of my experience. Few days ago one colleague came to my cubicle and asked me - KDE wants something and I don't know what they want. So I took a look and saw Plymouth with something that looks like password dialog. He was really surprised that it's

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ray Strode wrote: There's a reason why plymouth doesn't identify the volume in the initrd. Plymouth is graphical and so would need to ship fonts, font renderering libraries, and translations in the initrd to display text. That's a non-starter. Could we prerender the text on initrd creation

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Ray Strode
Hi, On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: So I took a look and saw Plymouth with something that looks like password dialog. He was really surprised that it's asking for password. At first - really, I think it's dracut bug as I think it was password for

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:06:48 -0400, Ray Strode wrote: Right, showing an unexpected password dialog at boot with no prompt is a serious bug. It's the bug in dracut I think we need to fix. Just for my information, do I read this correctly that dracut/plymouth is supposed to show a

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Ray Strode
Hi, On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Ray Strode wrote: There's a reason why plymouth doesn't identify the volume in the initrd. Plymouth is graphical and so would need to ship fonts, font renderering libraries, and translations in the initrd to

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Ray Strode
Hi, Right, showing an unexpected password dialog at boot with no prompt is a serious bug.  It's the bug in dracut I think we need to fix. Just for my information, do I read this correctly that dracut/plymouth is supposed to show a graphical password prompt to unlock encrypted partitions at

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:18:37 -0400, Ray Strode wrote: Just for my information, do I read this correctly that dracut/plymouth is supposed to show a graphical password prompt to unlock encrypted partitions at boot time? Yes, if you have modesetting enabled and get a graphical splash

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Hans de Goede
On 10/04/2009 11:35 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: Dracut currently tries to find and activate all RAID, LVM, and LUKS partitions on the hard disks when booting the LiveCD. Several of my systems are made up of many RAID, LVM, and LUKS partitions in various combinations. Booting the LiveCD now goes

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 10/05/2009 08:17 AM, Ray Strode wrote: Note, plymouth *does* support text once / is mounted. It dynamically loads the fonts and font renderering libraries, etc, as soon as they're needed after they're availabe. So you still get /home is password protected or whatever when /home is

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Ray Strode
Hi, What if / is encrypted, and /usr is a different volume encrypted with a different password? We can't leave initrd yet because everything in / that we actually _need_ isn't available. Sysadmins on crack break everything... True, if you 1) have encrypted / 2) have a separate /usr 3)

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Ray Strode
Hi, On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:18:37 -0400, Ray Strode wrote: Just for my information, do I read this correctly that dracut/plymouth is supposed to show a graphical password prompt to unlock encrypted partitions at boot time? Yes, if you have modesetting enabled and get a graphical splash

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 16:27 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Thanks for bringing this up. I'll create a patch for the scripts generating the livecd to add rd_NO_LUKS to the normal livecd syslinux.cfg entry. I already was planning on doing this, but I forgot. can you file a tag request to get this

dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
Dracut currently tries to find and activate all RAID, LVM, and LUKS partitions on the hard disks when booting the LiveCD. Several of my systems are made up of many RAID, LVM, and LUKS partitions in various combinations. Booting the LiveCD now goes and activates these and asks for passphrases

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-04 Thread Warren Togami
LiveCD boot has liveimg in cmdline. We could automatically skip various parts of the bootup if parameter exists. I suppose there are no drawbacks to this? Warren Togami wtog...@redhat.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-04 Thread drago01
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Warren Togami war...@togami.com wrote: LiveCD boot has liveimg in cmdline.  We could automatically skip various parts of the bootup if parameter exists.  I suppose there are no drawbacks to this? Well it makes stuff easier if you are booting to fix up your

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-04 Thread Björn Persson
Chuck Anderson wrote: Should the LiveCD by default access and activate storage volumes, including encrypted partitions, on the hard disks? There should be an easy and intuitive way to access the hard disks from the live system. Whether unencrypted volumes are mounted at boot or on demand

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-04 Thread Ray Strode
Hi, What do others think?  Should the LiveCD by default access and activate storage volumes, including encrypted partitions, on the hard disks?  Should the LUKS prompts better identify the volume so that users know what passphrase to enter? This seems like a misfeature in dracut for LiveCD or

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 06:44:47PM -0400, Ray Strode wrote: What do others think?  Should the LiveCD by default access and activate storage volumes, including encrypted partitions, on the hard disks?  Should the LUKS prompts better identify the volume so that users know what passphrase to