On 12/01/2009 11:49 AM, Sir Gallantmon wrote:
Couldn't something like that be implemented into GRUB/GRUB2? Unlike PLoP,
GRUB doesn't really have a size restriction, so maybe smarter methods of
detection could be implemented.
The approach of loading what amounts to DOS TSRs is something you
On 11/30/2009 01:27 PM, Peter Jones wrote:
On 11/30/2009 12:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
3. 'Chain-booting' from cd to usb sounds like an elegant way to avoid
the 'Can't boot USB' problem. Did we figure out how Mandriva are doing
it ?
No, we didn't. There are some things we might be able
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On 11/30/2009 01:27 PM, Peter Jones wrote:
On 11/30/2009 12:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
3. 'Chain-booting' from cd to usb sounds like an elegant way to avoid
the 'Can't boot USB' problem. Did we figure out how Mandriva
On 12/01/2009 10:42 AM, Sir Gallantmon wrote:
I found another tool that claims to be able to search and boot a USB device,
from a floppy disk no less! The tool is called PLoP[1], and it is a custom
boot manager that can boot USB, CD, and hard disks.
Maybe that will help some people figure
On 11/30/2009 07:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
2. More download choices are not a part of the solution, but a part of
the problem... We already have the problem that people are choosing to
download the DVD just because DVD CD; but unlike the spins, the DVD is
not a designed product at all.
Trying to respond to several points that were raised in this thread...
1. If live cds are as indispensable as you claim they are, it will be
relatively straightforward to produce them for F13 simply by omitting
the big items that will push us over the cd size limit, ie OpenOffice,
example
On 11/30/2009 12:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
3. 'Chain-booting' from cd to usb sounds like an elegant way to avoid
the 'Can't boot USB' problem. Did we figure out how Mandriva are doing
it ?
No, we didn't. There are some things we might be able to do here, though,
which may solve this
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/24/2009 02:21 AM, Ben Williams wrote:
If release engineering would like to release liveusb.iso for people to
use to install or just to look at the new features, that is fine But
from the #fedora channel the # of people installing off of the livecd
images are very
On 11/24/2009 08:35 PM, Simon Andrews wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/24/2009 02:21 AM, Ben Williams wrote:
If release engineering would like to release liveusb.iso for people to
use to install or just to look at the new features, that is fine But
from the #fedora channel the # of people
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 20:47 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
We are not discarding CD images all together. If you feel there is a
compelling reason to continue with a Live CD, I am afraid you will have
to step up and do it. The tools are easy enough to learn and I am
willing to help you or
On 11/24/2009 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 20:47 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
We are not discarding CD images all together. If you feel there is a
compelling reason to continue with a Live CD, I am afraid you will have
to step up and do it. The tools are easy
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
(yes i know the size sux, but not
everyone has highspeed internet thats why they are downloading the livecd
and not the dvd)
Another interpretation would be: The contents of the DVD does not
satisfy the needs of many people.
I am in that
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
(yes i know the size sux, but not
everyone has highspeed internet thats why they are downloading the livecd
and not the dvd)
Another interpretation would be:
Once upon a time, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com said:
Not that I actually believe in these systems that are i686 or newer and won't
boot off of usb-storage devices, but if they were to exist, you wouldn't be
able to do what you're saying on them.
I have run into such systems unfortunately.
On 11/24/2009 04:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 16:17 -0500, Peter Jones wrote:
On 11/24/2009 04:07 PM, Sir Gallantmon wrote:
If there are systems that cannot boot to USB, why not offer a boot disc that
would automatically search for USB drives, offer a list of bootable
On 11/24/2009 01:38 PM, Peter Jones wrote:
On 11/24/2009 04:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Mandriva Flash - Mandriva's commercial system-on-a-USB-stick thingy -
does exactly what you confidently proclaim to be impossible. It comes
with a CD ISO you can burn onto a CD (or mini-CD) that allows
On 11/24/2009 04:58 PM, John Reiser wrote:
On 11/24/2009 01:38 PM, Peter Jones wrote:
On 11/24/2009 04:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Mandriva Flash - Mandriva's commercial system-on-a-USB-stick thingy -
does exactly what you confidently proclaim to be impossible. It comes
with a CD ISO you
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 16:38 -0500, Peter Jones wrote:
Mandriva Flash - Mandriva's commercial system-on-a-USB-stick thingy -
does exactly what you confidently proclaim to be impossible. It comes
with a CD ISO you can burn onto a CD (or mini-CD) that allows you to
'chain-boot' the Flash on
If release engineering would like to release liveusb.iso for people to
use to install or just to look at the new features, that is fine But
from the #fedora channel the # of people installing off of the livecd
images are very high (if you want to search the logs i am sure they can
be provided,
On 11/24/2009 02:21 AM, Ben Williams wrote:
If release engineering would like to release liveusb.iso for people to
use to install or just to look at the new features, that is fine But
from the #fedora channel the # of people installing off of the livecd
images are very high (if you want to
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 15:51 -0500, Ben Williams wrote:
If release engineering would like to release liveusb.iso for people to
use to install or just to look at the new features, that is fine But
from the #fedora channel the # of people installing off of the livecd
images are very high (if
For the really network starved, there is netinst.iso where you start
with 200M~ and only download the specific packages you wish to install,
minimally about 200 packages.
I think Ben is talking about /users/ with poor network access, the
ones who come on IRC asking for help because they have
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 22:56 +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
For the really network starved, there is netinst.iso where you start
with 200M~ and only download the specific packages you wish to install,
minimally about 200 packages.
I think Ben is talking about /users/ with poor
On 11/24/2009 03:39 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
The netinst.iso would involve less downloaded content than the 700M live
image. How would it not fit their needs?
Perhaps net installation can be promoted as a spin and given
appropriate amount of attention in http://spins.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 03:37:42 +0530,
Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/24/2009 03:39 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
The netinst.iso would involve less downloaded content than the 700M live
image. How would it not fit their needs?
Perhaps net installation can be
The netinst.iso would involve less downloaded content than the 700M live
image. How would it not fit their needs?
*IF* netinst.iso works the first time (no hardware failure, no user error,
no user misunderstanding, no power failure, no ISP failure, no phoneline
failure,
no installer bug, no
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 14:57 -0800, John Reiser wrote:
The netinst.iso would involve less downloaded content than the 700M live
image. How would it not fit their needs?
*IF* netinst.iso works the first time (no hardware failure, no user error,
no user misunderstanding, no power failure, no
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