Re: Increasing point size of Meera font using fontconfig

2008-07-24 Thread Pravin S
Hi Behdad, original source is from http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/smc/fonts/malayalam-fonts-04.1.zip just edited it for testing good to know it is working perfectly where should i submit this patch 1) to fontconfig package? or 2) will it ok to copy it to /etc/conf.d through smc-fonts p

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/7/24 Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not >>> raw data of the URW fonts, otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, >> >> I th

Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Does anyone know if they > have their own production tools? They do, and they depend somewhat on proprietary software (FontLab) but SIL have been slowly publishing them, I think. -- Regards, Dave ___

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not >> raw data of the URW fonts, otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, > > I think the GUST guys have infringed the GPL. Not 100% su

Re: What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 20:55, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : > I found the answer on the wiki: I should call it tex-fontools. Vasile: you should really CC the maintainers of other TEX-related packages to your bugzilla request, and make some noise on the fedora-devel mailing list about it if you want i

Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 22:52, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : > > It uses *lots* of multiple (ligature-type) substitutions, sprinkled > with some context-based substitutions, and some single substitutions > in multiple ccmp tables (some tables are class-based, some glyph > based). It's unlike any of the

Proposed amendment to general packaging guidelines: no bundling of fonts in other packages

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi, Given what happened there: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456580 I'm proposing the following guidelines amendment: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/No_bundling_of_fonts_in_other_packages Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___

Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
It uses *lots* of multiple (ligature-type) substitutions, sprinkled with some context-based substitutions, and some single substitutions in multiple ccmp tables (some tables are class-based, some glyph based). It's unlike any of the simple stuff that Adobe or other fonts do. I wonder how they maint

Fwd: [Bug 456582] Review Request: tex-fontools - Tools for handling fonts with LaTeX and fontinst

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
Maybe somebody on this list is willing to sponsor me on this package: -- Forwarded message -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:43 PM Subject: [Bug 456582] Review Request: tex-fontools - Tools for handling fonts with LaTeX and fontinst To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Fwd: Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...]

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
-- Message original -- Objet:Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds... De: "Tom \"spot\" Callaway" Date: Jeu 24 juillet 2008 17:15 -- On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 17:08 +0200,

Re: What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I found the answer on the wiki: I should call it tex-fontools. On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to (re)package it and be the maintainer for these tools. > Before I follow the submission procedure, could someone explain to me > what an appropria

Re: What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I'd like to (re)package it and be the maintainer for these tools. Before I follow the submission procedure, could someone explain to me what an appropriate replacement prefix for 'tetex' would be? I mean, Fedora isn't shipping tetex anymore, but this useful only for TeX and depends on kpsewhich (fr

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 17:51, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : > > Well, in that case Fedora is in trouble already. The gyre OpenType > fonts are already shipped by Fedora in a TeXLive package, just not > used by pango! Oh, great I hate people that ship fonts without making a proper separate font sub-pa

Re: Increasing point size of Meera font using fontconfig

2008-07-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi again, I tested your snippet and it works perfectly. It's actually a very nice trick that should be documented! I'm CC'ing fedora-fonts-list. Here's the snippet to adjust font size for a family. Meera

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well, in that case Fedora is in trouble already. The gyre OpenType > fonts are already shipped by Fedora in a TeXLive package, just not > used by pango! TeXLive has been stripping out non-free fonts from other TeX distributions, so perhaps those guy

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
Well, in that case Fedora is in trouble already. The gyre OpenType fonts are already shipped by Fedora in a TeXLive package, just not used by pango! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qif /usr/share/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyrepagella-regular.otf Name: texlive-texmf-fonts

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
The GPL copyright holder for the original Type 1 fonts is URW, so they would have to send GUST notice of derived work infringement. Correct? On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I suspect that their fonts are

Uniscribe support for locl

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I asked this on typophile beucase I saw the question mark in the DejaVu wiki, and MS has no info on their site about it. Apparently Vista and Office 2007 support locl, but it's enabled based on the "default language system" setting. I have no clue what it means, and I have neither Vista nor Office

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not > raw data of the URW fonts, otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, I think the GUST guys have infringed the GPL. Not 100% sure, but I think so :( __

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 17:00, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : > I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not > raw data of the URW fonts, It's based on the raw data. That's explained in their presentations. > otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, > and could not change the l

What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I need those to install OpenType fonts for the traditional TeX! What does "Orphaned Package" mean? ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:25, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > The font history seems clean, but one does need to check all the FLOSS > license conversions are legitimate (the Gust license makes my head > spin and I don't know what the differences with the GNU version we > ship now are.) Well, there

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:37, Tom \"spot\" Callaway a écrit : > > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 16:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> I wonder what fedora-legal has to say on the subject > > On what subject exactly? I'm missing all of the context here. Is it OK if for the gust project to relicense GPL f

Re: What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:34, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : > > I need those to install OpenType fonts for the traditional TeX! What > does "Orphaned Package" mean? That means the previous packager lost interest, and no one took over from him, so the package was removed from the repository -- Nico

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not raw data of the URW fonts, otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, and could not change the license... As you know, font "looks" cannot be copyrighted in the U.S. (not sure about Europe though). So, the main question is: can Fed

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:37, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : > Chances are that these are newer incarnations of the shady package I > found. I'm saying this because Adobe's Thomas Phinney said on > typophile that the shady package most likely used Adobe FDK. As you > can see from their fea file, the gy

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 21 juillet 2008 00:15, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > You need to trace this version to its ultimate source, talk with > fedora-legal (or spot) and convince the current package maintainer to > switch font sources Actually trying to package this OpenType CFF version http://www.gust.org.pl/pro

Re: Are we really going to require fonts to be built from sources by Fedora packagers? [Was: Re: Suffix for "Old Standard" ?]

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 11:56, Dave Crossland a écrit : > > 2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> I think we'll try to bump the fontforge version in fedora-devel to >>> the >>> latest available upstream just before F10 beta. And then rebuild >>> every >>> font depending on it. This wa

Re: Are we really going to require fonts to be built from sources by Fedora packagers? [Was: Re: Suffix for "Old Standard" ?]

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > non-free tools like FontLab ... free-beer tools like Adobe FDK That a proprietary program is distributed at zero price is not important; that it is proprietary is what matters :-) >> I think we'll try to bump the fontforge version in fedora-devel

Re: Are we really going to require fonts to be built from sources by Fedora packagers? [Was: Re: Suffix for "Old Standard" ?]

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi, We do not "require" fonts to be built from source. We ask packagers to build font from sources when those sources are available unless they have a very good reason not to. However once upon a time, we didn't require fonts to be modifiable. When enough modifiable fonts became available policy

Are we really going to require fonts to be built from sources by Fedora packagers? [Was: Re: Suffix for "Old Standard" ?]

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
Here are some troublesome points: - Free font authors may well use non-free tools like FontLab to write them. E.g., the recent variants of Liberation Sans by Gustavo Ferreira. - Free fonts may have a source that requires free-beer tools to produce, like Adobe FDK, e.g. the TeX Gyre fonts: http://w

Fwd: TTF/OTF packaging thoughts?

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
-- Forwarded message -- From: Vasile Gaburici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:51 AM Subject: Re: TTF/OTF packaging thoughts? To: Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree with all your points. Regarding point 7, I'm going to emphasize, as you did previously, tha

Re: TTF/OTF packaging thoughts?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
All, After the discussion on two public lists, and some public and private exchanges on IRC with people whose opinion I respect a lot, since no one proposed a problem-free way to do dual format packaging, and many objected to all this complexity just to work around OpenOffice.org bugs, I propose t

Re: Suffix for "Old Standard" ?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 01:11, Dave Crossland a écrit : > > 2008/7/23 Martin-Gomez Pablo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> So we need to add a suffix to the name but I'm not imaginative for >> finding a good suffix (maybe "iced" as Nicolas propose), anyone of >> you have an lightning idea ? > > Why not us

Re: Proposal: reference locl feature file

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 01:43, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : > > It's surprisingly hard to find good information on how the locl > OpenType feature should be handled for various languages. I propose we > add a well commented reference fea file somewhere on the Fedora wiki. Well, it's a wiki. Just to i

Re: [Fontconfig] TTF/OTF packaging thoughts?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 23 juillet 2008 21:45, James Cloos a écrit : > >> "Nicolas" == Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> writes: > > Nicolas> Can you patch fontconfig so apps get OTF (OpenType CFF) > Nicolas> versions by default, unless they explicitely request OpenType > Nicolas> TTF files? (when the