to
> help.
Well, you probably could have helped five months ago.
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> official thanks for all efforts are in order!
Yes, thank you so much, everyone. All of your work has been very helpful.
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gt; a testbed for the newer software, whether it's desktop or high-end
> server, then that sounds like the wrong thing to say.
It is the *truthful* thing to say. I agree wholeheartedly with you, but
without serious (financial and personnel) backing for Fedora Legacy, it
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Totally. This is why I'm surprised that there's not been more interest in
Legacy.
But not too surprised -- most people don't really care about keeping their
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effectively fallen out of
> >>maintenance.
> >where X=2, Y=3, and Z=4. :)
> Hmm. Do you mean FC2, FC3, and FC4? FC2 has been out of support
> for quite some time, and for other reasons.
Well, I had three values to work with. :)
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where X=2, Y=3, and Z=4. :)
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machines) was
> released on June 13 2005, so I guess that is also EOL effectively.
In terms of "have their been a meaningful number of updates for real
security problems", they are EOL *now* -- just sans announcement.
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> hasn't been decided yet.
Everyone's pretty much talking like this is a done deal. Any idea when an
official decision will be made?
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oll in.
Is the 13-month lifespan for Core (i.e. "merged Legacy") accepted as
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nce first and measure demand and available
> manpower after the first implementation of this model.
Sounds good. I think the important thing, though, is to state clearly that
FC3, FC4, and before are effectively unsupported *right now*.
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> Interest in Fedora Legacy has slowed down. You can find some
> FC4 updates at http://www.jur-linux.org/rpms/fc-updates/4/ ,
> but some updates will probably also soon show up at
> http://fedoralegacy.org/
Is anyone actively working on the open OpenSSL bug at this point?
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the lifespan the
more people will be caught in it. At the current 9 months, I wouldn't be
surprised if it actually includes the majority of users. At 13 months, not
so bad -- but still a huge amount.
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7;m not alone. [*]
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they're not already. The difference is that my users have me to care about
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during the
spring and especially winter breaks, or that the 13th month hits the summer
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y (not looking at any internal
> documentation), that the new drivers would be backported.
We'll have to see how this works out.
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x27;s, like, a
10:1 ratio.
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aps, yeah.
> legacy with 2 releases at a time, which *should* be manageable.. ;)
Another possibility would be to pick either even- or odd-numbered fedora
releases, and have Legacy only extend *one* of those.
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batch of computers
> > with hardware that doesn't work.
> Isn't this where the quarterly updates with new hardware support come in?
Is RHEL5 going to go wholesale to new kernel versions with the quarterly
updates, or is it actually going to backport all updated drivers to the
olde
or CentOS) but generally current
enough, but then by this spring we'll see a batch of computers with hardware
that doesn't work.
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On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:17:19AM -0500, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > How much of this is just speculation at this point, and how close is
> > this to being actual policy?
> Depends on your feedback (:
Don't get me wrong -- this is definitely a positive development.
~13 months is a huge help, but to cover
the gaps, we really need more like 18-19.
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le can upgrade
> once a year when presented with a known/documented release cycle, and known
> documented alternatives.
One month of annual overlap is still a bit short.
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ll i'm interested in because it's on the rhce
> exam.
> Forget about security or anything else. I need to complete the labs.
Why RHEL3, though? Wouldn't you want RHEL4?
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don't think the
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work.
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eful
thing to do right now is to look in bugzilla or at Pekka's buglist at
<http://www.netcore.fi/pekkas/buglist.html> and start poking at things.
Hopefully, we'll have some better infrastructure in place soon.
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> But perhaps there are other ideas.
I think this is the only reasonable choice. Backporting all of the fixes
would be herculean -- for very little gain.
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> Additionally, the project simply needs at least one person who manages the
> project as a full-time job.
And by "needs", I mean: I'm very skeptical that it can be viable without
this. While the project was i
the
project as a full-time job.
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YTHING else fails, you can
> update to the latest stable release to fix the flaw.
Right now, everything is clearly failing.
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se it results in
large numbers of potentially vulnerable machines in the wild.
Fedora people repeatedly state that the distribution is great for users
beyond the tech-enthusiast Earlier Adopters. But without Legacy, it's really
not true.
* <http://www.ericsink.com/Act_Your_Age.html>
tch? Where are you
> meeting resistance doing this kind of work?
Although, "hey, this CVE was filed, does it affect us" in bugzilla is
helpful too as a starting point -- a lot of issues which do affect us aren't
even that far along at this point.
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On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 10:59:39AM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
> Only if we agree to split RHL updates from Fedora updates and nothold one
> up for the other.
This is another benefit of one bug per distro release. FC3 packages
shouldn't hold up FC4, for that matter.
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 05:04:18PM -0700, Robinson Tiemuqinke wrote:
> It looks that there have been no new security updates
> for FC3/FC4 for about three months.
> Anyone know when the new updates will be available?
> After FC6 released, or some other times?
See other thread.
eah.
And also, if at all possible,
E) See if any Fedora Core engineers are interested in, out of the goodness
of their hearts, building updates for their packages in Legacy when it
isn't much extra work -- and enabling them to easily do so.
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 08:57:31PM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >>A) Kill off RHL now. Stop trying to do stuff there when we just don't
> >>have
> >>the man power or the volunteers.
> >>B) Move to using
ng these things is the only way that Legacy will
> survive.
I agree that they're needed. I guess the question is: will it be enough?
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ut a functioning lifespan of over a year, Fedora is only practically
useful as an enthusiast, bleeding-edge distro. That's only supposed to be
_part_ of its mission.
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bugs from Fedora or RHEL into Legacy.
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On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 02:46:59PM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 03:08:33PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Anything?
> Well, you can retrieve a today updated source rpm for FC4 from
> ftp://ftp.harddata.com/pub/Legacy_srpms/
> and recompile it.
Th
Anything?
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ch I used to recompile browser for FC4 systems. These packages
Thanks Michal. This is very useful.
> If the above srpms were used as starting points for Legacy releases
> I would be only happy.
Sounds good to me.
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Which is awesome for Jesse (congratulations) but bad news for Fedora Legacy.
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box).
It's definitely an annoying problem. Newer yum can log to syslog, which will
solve this.
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(Currently "REPLY HAZY / ASK AGAIN LATER".)
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> trustworthy fellow, right Matt?
Yes indeed. Hi Wes!
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> will end it.
This is a known problem:
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=152867>
I think it'd be good for Legacy to ship this update -- we've still got 5
months of nominal RHL9 support.
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> I've updated the fedoralegacy.org homepage. I'll forward my announcement on
> to Fedora News.
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ce as
> well as probably more FC1/FC2 users subscribe to that list than this
> one. Maybe this is something for Fedora News as well?
Yeah, it's a know problem that the web site needs a total updating.
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> so going forward, we will have information about how one goes about doing
> this.
I'm about to go and do the FC3 thing
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On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 02:33:00AM -0500, David D. Eisenstein wrote:
> Looks like all the name-servers for fedoralegacy.org are down or something.
> Looks like there are multiple problems with the domain.
May be related to: <http://jkeating.livejournal.com/27136.html>
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than that, I don't think there's anything.
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anything that is stirred up, as of course the intent is cleanup, not more
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first time around, but I never did it for FC3.
There are currently 971 FC3 bugs open (+148 against FC3-test versions) and
1560 FC4 bugs (+136 against FC4-test).
Also, there's 35 FC2 bugs either filed since the cutoff or else incorrectly
reopened or just marked wrong. I'll deal with those to
ll group of various
> distributors trying to get all this work done.
In the meantime, can someone take care of the simpler case of updating FC5
from 1.5.0.3 to 1.5.0.4?
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 01:49:43AM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote:
> >And the Indiana change will bite people in the US, too. (2006a)
> Even though this is not a security issue, these have been fixed in any
> case.
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> looking at FC1/2:
> FC1# tzdata-2004b-1.fc1
> FC2# tzdata-2005f-1.fc2
And the Indiana change will bite people in the US, too. (2006a)
> I realise this isn't a security fix, but why hasn't FL taken the issue on
> board?
I think you answer
ment should most fairly
be viewed as coming from Just an End User. That said, I hope to phase out
all FC2-based systems here by the end of this summer, but would really
appreciate updates until then.
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On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 03:34:23PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 03:27:27PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > I'm trying to rebuild grub on FC3, and I've excitingly discovered that
> > rebuilding the FC3 package, the FC4 one, or the devel pa
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 03:27:27PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I'm trying to rebuild grub on FC3, and I've excitingly discovered that
> rebuilding the FC3 package, the FC4 one, or the devel package all result in
> a dynamically-linked binary, which doesn't work.
(Um,
lla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121095>.
and indeed all of the packages I'm trying to build are 0.95-3 and above.
Anyone got any ideas?
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n maintained by official FC updates, so
>RPM versioning with upgrades (e.g., FC2 -> FC3) doesn't
> break.
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