Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-08 Thread Eric Rostetter
Quoting Tim Thome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: For the packagers... how to package for a release. I maintain my own boxen, so when a security issue pops up, I download source or make the fix locally. How to build a package and release it into testing remains somewhat of a mystery... I'd be happy to do s

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-08 Thread Eric Rostetter
Quoting David Eisenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: What do you suggest as an alternative for IRC for folks who are not able or interested in using it? I work in several opensource projects that have IRC channels, and I've never used IRC for any of them, and no one has ever complained about that fac

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-08 Thread David Eisenstein
Eric Rostetter wrote: > Quoting Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> The issue is also not the infrstructure IMO, it's simply lack of human >> resources and either someone needs to assign them to it if that entity >> (Red Hat/board/whatever) considers that a worthy goal, or the >> resources need t

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Tim Thome
Eric Rostetter wrote: Quoting Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The issue is also not the infrstructure IMO, it's simply lack of human resources and either someone needs to assign them to it if that entity (Red Hat/board/whatever) considers that a worthy goal, or the resources need to come from m

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Axel Thimm wrote: On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:46:37PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Unifying and opening up more of the infrastructure and other ideas like that only doing critical security fixes are things to look at. But FL's charter is already to only cater about security fixes, or do you imp

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Axel Thimm
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 04:54:34PM -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tuesday 07 November 2006 16:47, Axel Thimm wrote: > > The issue is also not the infrstructure IMO, it's simply lack of human > > resources > > Well, if the barrier to contribute was lower, getting more people would be > easier.

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Eric Rostetter
Quoting Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The issue is also not the infrstructure IMO, it's simply lack of human resources and either someone needs to assign them to it if that entity (Red Hat/board/whatever) considers that a worthy goal, or the resources need to come from more voluntary people, e

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 16:47, Axel Thimm wrote: > The issue is also not the infrstructure IMO, it's simply lack of human > resources Well, if the barrier to contribute was lower, getting more people would be easier. If it were say as easy as using the Extras build system so that any curren

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Axel Thimm
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:46:37PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Unifying and opening up more of the infrastructure and other ideas like > that only doing critical security fixes are things to look at. But FL's charter is already to only cater about security fixes, or do you imply to categorize

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Axel Thimm wrote: I don't know if the board has power over suggesting to Fedora's sponsor, Red Hat, to resuffle its engineering resources, but if so, then it's a simple equation: If FL is indeed going to get more resources to prolong a Fedora release's lifespan then these resources need to be dr

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 08:21:26AM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > > OK, I'll bite. What do you want exactly from the Board? > > Wave our magic Fedora wand to produce more (active) community contributors? > OK, lemme see, now where did I leave that darn thing... I see 2 things that could help: *

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-07 Thread Axel Thimm
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 08:21:26AM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > David Eisenstein wrote: > > > Fedora Board, please take heed. Although providing a stable, long-term > > operating system/environment is *not* one of Fedora Project's stated > > goals, the practical lifetime of a Fedora release of 1 y

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:04:06PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > Additionally, the project simply needs at least one person who manages the > project as a full-time job. And by "needs", I mean: I'm very skeptical that it can be viable without this. While the project was in its most functional sta

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 08:21:26AM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > Wave our magic Fedora wand to produce more (active) community contributors? > OK, lemme see, now where did I leave that darn thing... Well, to be honest, a little bit, yeah. There just hasn't been good infrastructure in place for contr

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-06 Thread James Kosin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Stevens wrote: > a confession of inadequacy is more of a preliminary than an answer > > Dave Sorry, to butt in Maybe, what we need to do is have a re-organization of the idea of FedoraLegacy instead of trying to overtax anyone. Or chase an

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-06 Thread Jesse Keating
On Monday 06 November 2006 09:59, Dave Stevens wrote: > a confession of inadequacy is more of a preliminary than an answer Confession how? How would it be any different from the Fedora Legacy project itself from making some sort of 'confession' ? The unfortunate problem is ours to solve. --

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-06 Thread Dave Stevens
On Monday 06 November 2006 06:21, Rex Dieter wrote: > David Eisenstein wrote: > > Fedora Board, please take heed. Although providing a stable, long-term > > operating system/environment is *not* one of Fedora Project's stated > > goals, the practical lifetime of a Fedora release of 1 year (without

Re: You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-06 Thread Rex Dieter
David Eisenstein wrote: > Fedora Board, please take heed. Although providing a stable, long-term > operating system/environment is *not* one of Fedora Project's stated > goals, the practical lifetime of a Fedora release of 1 year (without > Legacy to be there to security-maintain them for (at le

You Need Fedora Legacy!! Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit

2006-11-06 Thread David Eisenstein
- Original Message - From: "Thorsten Leemhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [fab] looking at our surrent state a bit > >> == MISC == > >> > >> * I got the impression (and LWN readers, too ["hello corbert! "]) that > >>