Re: FC 7 booting problem

2008-07-22 Thread g
SALMAN AHMED wrote: I installed Fedora 7 sucessfully and using it very well , but after I installed windows XP boot loader options for FC7 disappered, although fc7 is still there. it is grub boot loader that has been over written in boot sector by msbsos when it is installed. once you get fc7

Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse

2008-07-22 Thread Deron Meranda
An update on this problem: First, I'm up to date on the latest kernel and X window packages. Again, I'm using the standard Fedora Radeon driver with all the default options. I'm also using the standard Gnome interface. Here's the strange thing I'm seeing. I don't know if this is just coinciden

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just like the Mepis/Zenwalk examples I used previously in the > thread, they modified the code and released it, yet they were not > releasing the changes/what they modified back to the community. They didn't have to. All the GPL requ

NetworkManager sabotages DNS? on fc9

2008-07-22 Thread Dave Burns
I just installed fc9 on a Dell precision T5400 from the live CD. On previous fc9 installs, I've had a problem that networking doesn't start at boot if I didn't open up the network panel and check "controlled by networkmanager". On this new install, when I have that box checked, DNS does not work (n

Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex & Yacc

2008-07-22 Thread Phil Meyer
William Case wrote: Hi; I am working my way through the compiling process. I want to be precise about my question so that responders do not waste time on answering the wrong question. Where can I find/see which preprocessor, lexical analysiser, parser etc. the gcc compliler is using in Fedora?

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!!

2008-07-22 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 16:05 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jul 22, 2008, Ed Greshko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Craig White wrote: > >> On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 12:16 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> around long enough to know that they aren't going to change each others > >> minds on the topic

Re: FC 7 booting problem

2008-07-22 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 10:45 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > SALMAN AHMED wrote: > >I installed Fedora 7 sucessfully and using it very well , but after I > >installed windows XP boot loader options for FC7 disappered, although > >linux drives are still present as it is. Also on windows xp I

Re: Where is the "automatic login" now?

2008-07-22 Thread Marcelo M. Garcia
Hi John It worked. Thank you. There was a button in System->Administration->Login(?) where was possible to make this kind of configuration, do you know why this disappeared? Marcelo Skunk Worx wrote: Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: Hi Where is the option to "automatic login" in Gnome 2.22 (Fed

Re: Where is the "automatic login" now?

2008-07-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: Hi John It worked. Thank you. There was a button in System->Administration->Login(?) where was possible to make this kind of configuration, do you know why this disappeared? Refer http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Desktop.html#sn-GNOMEDisplayM

Creating a default keyring with passwd.

2008-07-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
One of the problems with reinstalling Fedora every 6 months is I can't remember what I did before but I know I never had this problem before. On anew installation I configured evolution. When I tried to run it it asked for the POP passwd then wanted to know the passwd to open the default keyring.

Killfile [WAS: Re: that old Linux argument]

2008-07-22 Thread Anders Karlsson
* Anders Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080722 14:50]: > * Andrew Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080722 13:12]: > > > > On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 11:38 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > Do you have a sample config for me to look at? I have some vermin I > > &

Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex & Yacc

2008-07-22 Thread William Case
Hi Phil Yes. On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:57 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote: > William Case wrote: > > Hi; > > > > I am working my way through the compiling process. I want to be precise > > about my question so that responders do not waste time on answering the > > wrong question. > > > > Where can I find

Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex & Yacc

2008-07-22 Thread William Case
Hi Rick and Kevin; On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 10:56 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > William Case wrote: > > Hi; > > > > I am working my way through the compiling process. I want to be precise > > about my question so that responders do not waste time on answering the > > wrong question. > > cpp, was

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!!

2008-07-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:05:12PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Fedora claims to be a community "all about freedom and rapid > innovation". I might as well help them understand what freedom means > when applied to software. Or at the very least offer them a second > opinion that takes more of

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > Just like the Mepis/Zenwalk examples I used previously > in the > > thread, they modified the code and released it, yet > they were not > > releasing the changes/what they modified back to the > community. > > They didn't have to. All the GPL required of them that > they allegedly > didn't do

need help removing/disabling LUKS disk encryption

2008-07-22 Thread Konstantin Svist
Hi all, I've installed F9 with disk encryption to try it out -- and now I want to remove it. Is there a way to just turn it off - revert to unencrypted partitions - without reinstalling the OS? Also, I've heard there should be a way to specify a separate encryption password for the underpriv

Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex & Yacc

2008-07-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:38 -0400, William Case wrote: > Hi; > > I am working my way through the compiling process. I want to be precise > about my question so that responders do not waste time on answering the > wrong question. > > Where can I find/see which preprocessor, lexical analysiser, pa

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 22, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the gnu utilities in linux distros could easily be replaced with counterparts from the *bsd's, opensolaris, or any commercial unix version. And the Linux kernel could be swapped with a bsd, opensolaris, or commerci

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:37:51PM -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Someone came out against them, just search Distrowatch. That they > did not fully comply with the GPL? (...) > Someone did/or other opposing distros that did not want those distros > to get the attention that they were getting.

Re: FreeNX on fc9.x86_64

2008-07-22 Thread V Pomerol
This is a reply to my own post. The issue I encountered is a know bug that was submitted 4 months ago (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437655), and there is an easy workaround. My apologies for the noise, but at least I hope that this message will help others trying to get FreeNX to w

Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex & Yacc

2008-07-22 Thread Markku Kolkka
William Case kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika tiistai, 22. heinäkuuta 2008): > Is it simply randomly acquired knowledge or is there some > source you or I can go to and see what is being done? An in > depth explanation of each process I can and have googled for > or read about. It is the sour

Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I remember a menu entry System --> New Login but I cannot find it on F9. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@re

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it's more likely because if someone had tried to use the GNU OS > before Linux - or even the current Hurd version of GNU OS, they'd > run away screaming instead of trying it again... Pretty much in the same way most would, if they'd tried

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Antonio Olivares
> >> the gnu utilities in linux distros could easily be > replaced with > >> counterparts from the *bsd's, opensolaris, or > any commercial unix > >> version. And the Linux kernel could be swapped > with a bsd, > >> opensolaris, or commercial unix in a distro > running GNU utilities. > > > > That

Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex & Yacc

2008-07-22 Thread Rick Stevens
William Case wrote: Hi Rick and Kevin; On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 10:56 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: William Case wrote: Hi; I am working my way through the compiling process. I want to be precise about my question so that responders do not waste time on answering the wrong question. cpp, was C

Re: Newbie: USB Pen Drive on Fedora Core 3

2008-07-22 Thread Adalbert Prokop
Bravismore Mumanyi wrote on Tuesday 22 July 2008: > May any folk out there help me with a guide on how I manually mount USB > pen drives on Fedora Core 3. I have tried plugging in a pen drive which > shows an activity light but no icon is automatically displayed. I have > failed to figure out wher

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!! Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Aldo Foot
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:16 PM, g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > max bianco wrote: > >> >> Is the asterisk in the subject line supposed to confuse me? Its quite > > now we have 5 'gnu/linux' threads. > > will we see 6??? > > > -- > > tc,hago. > > g Ohhh... he devil's number. Bad luck bad luck.

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:05 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > Dear All, > > I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two > different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I > remember a menu entry > > System --> New Login > > but I cannot find it on F9. > > Any id

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Antonio Olivares
> I guess you don't want to read. That kernel is called > Linux. > I'd be as pissed off as Linus if Stallman wanted to > call the kernel > GNU/Linux when the kernel is called Linux. > > But Stallman is *not* doing that, he's perfectly fine > and dandy that > people call Linux to: > > > > > http:/

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >>> Yes, so if you want to distribute a copy under the GPL, you must agree >>> to its terms, which then cover the entire work. >> >> But that does not take away any other rights you might have as to >> specific part

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two >> different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I >> remember a menu entry >> >> System --> New Login >> >> but I cannot find it

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 02:36:56PM -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > I guess you don't want to read. That kernel is called > > Linux. > > I'd be as pissed off as Linus if Stallman wanted to > > call the kernel > > GNU/Linux when the kernel is called Linux. > > > > But Stallman is *not* doing that

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I remember a menu entry System --> New Login but I cannot find it on F9. Any ideas? Don't recall the menu placement offhand but run

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two >> different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I >> remember a menu entry >> >> System --> New Login >> >> but I cannot find it on F9

Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server

2008-07-22 Thread George J. Nazarey
Michael, Are you running 32 or 64-bit? George Nazarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need DNS Help? www.theDNStool.com Linux User: 232209 http://counter.li.org To solve the problem is a task. To understand the problem is knowledge. fortuno, fortuno, gaudium, gaudium Computer Scien

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Paul Smith wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I remember a menu entry System --> New Login but I cannot find it on

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I remember a menu entry System --> New Login but I cannot

Re: NetworkManager sabotages DNS? on fc9

2008-07-22 Thread Christoph Höger
Hi, as DHCP includes DNS information NetworkManager will use that information to set up your /etc/resolv.conf Have a look at that file for exact diagnostics. If its empty, you should consider reconfiguring your DHCP server. If not, it seems to be a wrong ip. That being said, you can still set up y

Re: OCR in Fedora?

2008-07-22 Thread Gustav Degreef
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Valent Turkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2008/7/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Does anybody do OCR using software available in Fedora? Which ones do you use? How do y

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Antonio Olivares
> You seem all but neutral. You also seem to want to continue > flogging this > fish way beyond it's rot point. > You were the one that rotted the fish, here's what you said /* You seem to advocate a weird notion of rewarding copyright infringement. > The people should decide in the end what th

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 03:29:34PM -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Why is it a mistake? > > All I said is that people should call it the way they want to, if > underneath the layers of software resides the linux kernel with/without > the GNU utilites. Like others have said on this list, they sh

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Paul Smith wrote: No, I am using XscreenSaver. How to switch to gnome screensaver? # yum remove xscreensaver\* # yum install gnome-screensaver Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Björn Persson
Antonio Olivares wrote: > Linus said in the naming controversy: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy > > > Linus Torvalds has said in the documentary Revolution OS, when asked if the > name GNU/Linux was justified: > > Well, I think it's justified, but it's justified if you

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Yes, so if you want to distribute a copy under the GPL, you must agree to its terms, which then cover the entire work. But that does not take away any other rights you might have as to specific parts. Rights aren't the issue. Of course they are. A license is a gran

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:42:58PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > The terms of a license have nothing to do with copyright law. You can > agree to anything in a license as long as it isn't actually illegal. An > exclusion of copyright rules is simply what you get in return. With the GNU GPL yo

SSD partitioning

2008-07-22 Thread Rich Emberson
For a non-laptop machine with the following target characteristics: energy efficient, non-gaming, powerful and fast; should SSDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) be used and, if so, how? SSD have very fast seek times and can have fast read speeds (http://www.datamarck.com/benchmarks

Re: Now ON TOPIC, libGL.so, libMesaGL.so on missing list of F8 repo's

2008-07-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 July 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> So what do we do when we want to install a program that expects to find >> those libraries and will not build without them? > >For libGL, >yum install mesa-libGL-devel > Already installed, but gmerlin's configure can't find it. The

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:40 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two > >> different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I > >> remember a me

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 22, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's more likely because if someone had tried to use the GNU OS before Linux - or even the current Hurd version of GNU OS, they'd run away screaming instead of trying it again... Pretty much in the same way most w

Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex & Yacc

2008-07-22 Thread William Case
Thanks Patrick; I am not being defensive, but ... On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 16:16 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:38 -0400, William Case wrote: > > Hi; > > > > I am working my way through the compiling process. I want to be precise > > about my question so that responde

Re: Two different users on the same machine

2008-07-22 Thread g
Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, I am running XFCE on F9, and I would like to know how to allow two different users to login on my machine at the same time. On F8, I remember a menu entry you do not mention *how* login is desire, that is, with different computers thru lan, serial ports, usb, or wir

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Timothy Murphy
Björn Persson wrote: > Timothy Murphy wrote: >> I think it is misleading to say that Torvalds was "dissatisfied" with >> Minix. The fact is, Tanenbaum (bizarrely) declined to port Minix to the >> 386 on the absurd grounds that there were millions of 286's around the >> world, and people would cont

How to deal with SPAM, was STFU

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
Antonio Olivares wrote: How can I convince these guys from stop sending this, I try to convice them, but I can't. They do not stop :( The only solution is to delete them everytime. There are no words these guys understand. /* Letter from someone @ OGAGDAOUDGU */ I NEED YOUR URGENT ASSI

Re: Now ON TOPIC, libGL.so, libMesaGL.so on missing list of F8 repo's

2008-07-22 Thread Rick Stevens
Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: So what do we do when we want to install a program that expects to find those libraries and will not build without them? For libGL, yum install mesa-libGL-devel Already installed, but gmerlin's configure can't

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suspect the X-related bits outweigh the GNUish parts considerably. Bring on the numbers! It won't even matter that the GNU operating system was designed to work with X and thus technically X would count more on the GNU OS side than on

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Les Mikesell
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: The terms of a license have nothing to do with copyright law. You can agree to anything in a license as long as it isn't actually illegal. An exclusion of copyright rules is simply what you get in return. With the GNU GPL you don't have to agree with anythi

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Licenses often impose terms you must meet as a condition of granting > those rights. Those are not (pure) licenses, those are license agreements. Agreements as in contracts. Contracts are meeting of minds and mutual obligations. The GPL

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like others have said on this list, they should call it whatever > they consider is best. Do you think it's just fine if I call you Florisvaldo Azeitonares? What if people started a campaign and got a lot of people to call you like th

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The code is available for free from some places, is that a > sufficient condition? Not for GPLv2. For GPLv3, it is, but the responsibility of ensuring people who get the binaries can get the sources still lies with the distributor of

CDRom detected as media:/sr0

2008-07-22 Thread Jim
Installed FC8 on a Compaq Presario PC and cdrom is detected as media:/sr0 and can't read files on cd. There is no settings in /etc/fstab for cdrom. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex & Yacc

2008-07-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
William Case rogers.com> writes: > You and Kevin have corrected some of the terminology and mis-perceptions > about what process is doing what. I thank you for that. But it still > begs the question. How do you know that? I've learned a lot of things from the GCC mailing list archive. But be w

Re: F9: Web Based system monitoring

2008-07-22 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 16:27 -0500, Seann Clark wrote: > I know this isn't exactly the place to look for anything like this, > but I am wondering from the Fedora users base, if there is any > good/recommended tools to display real-time or near real time system > information VIA web (AJAX or

NZB Downloader

2008-07-22 Thread Joseph L. Casale
I have used hellanzb for ages but its to buggy, so recently I switched to pan which proved to puke on just as many nzb's. Anyone got a reco for a reliable nzb downloader, it would be sweet if it unrared/par-repaired like hella :) Thanks for any ideas! jlc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-lis

Re: CDRom detected as media:/sr0

2008-07-22 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Jim wrote: Installed FC8 on a Compaq Presario PC and cdrom is detected as media:/sr0 and can't read files on cd. There is no settings in /etc/fstab for cdrom. It should also be listed as /dev/scd0, and mounting that device should let you read CDs. The reason there is no entry in /etc/fstab i

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 21:15:24 -0300, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Honestly, this argument is a bit misguided. It is true that HURD's > choice of kernel model slowed things down, but the main factor for its > slow development since 1992 was that a Free kernel that worked wit

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That the non-surprising meaning of GNU/Linux would be if the GNU > project packaged a distribution themselves with a Linux kernel. No, that would be something like GNU GNU/Linux, or GNU GNU+Linux. I.e., the GNU+Linux distribution maintain

Re: CDRom detected as media:/sr0

2008-07-22 Thread Jim
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Jim wrote: Installed FC8 on a Compaq Presario PC and cdrom is detected as media:/sr0 and can't read files on cd. There is no settings in /etc/fstab for cdrom. It should also be listed as /dev/scd0, and mounting that device should let you read CDs. The reason there

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have any evidence of that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd sounds about right to me. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Membe

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > Like others have said on this list, they should call > it whatever > > they consider is best. > > Do you think it's just fine if I call you Florisvaldo > Azeitonares? It is fine with me, although I was not baptized or registered under Florisvaldo Azeitonares. But you want to call me that ok.

f9 wireless reconnection problems

2008-07-22 Thread Jack Howarth
I am seeing a problem under Fedora 9 x86_64 with the madwifi wireless drivers in use. What I find is that on occasion the wireless connection will drop and the NetworkManager will attempt to reconnect to the wireless network. However this process always fails as follows. A dialog appears saying

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 14:49:43 +0200, Anders Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you both of you. I'm using offlineimap and mutt, so can't quite > use either suggestion. Once I have a working solution, I'll post it in > case useful for others. You should be able to do it in mutt. Yo

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Antonio Olivares
> I don't understand what you're questioning here. > Could you please > rephrase or elaborate? I do not understand here, why some licenses are compatible and which ones are not. For instance, the Mozilla Public License is incompatible with the GPL and we can see Mozilla firefox and/or Seamonk

Re: CDRom detected as media:/sr0

2008-07-22 Thread Jim
Jim wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Jim wrote: Installed FC8 on a Compaq Presario PC and cdrom is detected as media:/sr0 and can't read files on cd. There is no settings in /etc/fstab for cdrom. It should also be listed as /dev/scd0, and mounting that device should let you read CDs. The r

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: I credit (blame?) RedHat for the bulk of the early work on Linux, The timing doesn't look right. Back then I was running GNU stuff still mostly on SunOS 4.3 and Solaris 2, but I remember some colleagues at the uni who got into the GNU/Linux bandwagon earlier than mysel

Re: CDRom detected as media:/sr0

2008-07-22 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Jim wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Jim wrote: Installed FC8 on a Compaq Presario PC and cdrom is detected as media:/sr0 and can't read files on cd. There is no settings in /etc/fstab for cdrom. It should also be listed as /dev/scd0, and mounting that device should let you read CDs. The r

Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?

2008-07-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 09:55:00 -0400, Todd Denniston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or are you indicating you _have_ gotten anaconda to use an additional > repository that was on a local hard drive or NFS? I did a URL install about two weeks ago and was able to add Updates-Testing as an addi

Re: flock

2008-07-22 Thread Ric Moore
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 07:29 +0530, Arnav Kalra wrote: > i do not know hoe to install it Didja ever get some help?? I don't know what flock is, but I'll try, if you're desperate! Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Antonio Olivares
> If you can read Portuguese (from your name, perhaps you > can), please > have a look at > http://fsfla.org/svnwiki/blogs/lxo/pub/gplv3-novidades > and http://fsfla.org/svnwiki/blogs/lxo/pub/copyleft, it may > help > understand the reasoning behind the conditions of the GPL, > if its > preamble do

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 22:34:39 -0300, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 22, 2008, Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do you have any evidence of that? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd sounds about right to me. Me too, but it seems to agree with my poi

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Licenses often impose terms you must meet as a condition of granting those rights. Those are not (pure) licenses, those are license agreements. Agreements as in contracts. Contracts are meeting of minds and mutual obligations. The GPL is a unilateral grant of rights.

Re: Now ON TOPIC, libGL.so, libMesaGL.so on missing list of F8 repo's

2008-07-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 July 2008, Rick Stevens wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Tuesday 22 July 2008, Rex Dieter wrote: >>> Gene Heskett wrote: So what do we do when we want to install a program that expects to find those libraries and will not build without them? >>> >>> For libGL, >>> yum insta

Re: smbclient -N --no-pass broken

2008-07-22 Thread Skunk Worx
Mixing -A with -N in smbclient is definitely a problem here. Under F7, I do not get prompts or failures even when the system is heavily loaded. Under F9, with a heavily loaded system, smbclient seems to start having filesystem errors (can't access the specified credentials file) and rather t

Fedora 8 VPN Client for Microsoft PPTP VPN server: routing problem

2008-07-22 Thread Zvi Kave
Hi, Seems that the VPN PPTP connection to MS PPTP server is OK as from the /var/log/messages, but I can not access the required IP behind the MS server. (But from Windows XP , I have no problems to connect to desired IP) Here are the details: 1. Before starting my netstat -r (1.1.1.0 is my lo

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 22:34:39 -0300, > Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jul 22, 2008, Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Do you have any evidence of that? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hur

Re: SSD partitioning

2008-07-22 Thread Tod Merley
2008/7/22 Rich Emberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > For a non-laptop machine with the following target > characteristics: energy efficient, non-gaming, powerful > and fast; should SSDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) > be used and, if so, how? SSD have very fast seek times and > can hav

recent changes of xscreensaver

2008-07-22 Thread Jouk Jansen
Hi All, I'm running F9 with Nvidia-twinview. Since the last update of xscreensaver this week xscreensaver sees the 2 sceeens as one big display, running one hack. It used to be that one hack per display was running. I prefer the behavior of one hack per screen. Is this a bug or a feature? Is thare

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-22 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 22, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> You're probably right that Red Hat gave GNU/Linux some polish that >> even enthusiasts needed, but it started 3 years into Linux's history >> and 11 years into GNU's history, so I don't think we're talking about

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:30:14PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> >>> The terms of a license have nothing to do with copyright law. You >>> can agree to anything in a license as long as it isn't actually >>> illegal. An exclusion of copyright rules is simply wh

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