Re: ssh2

2008-09-16 Thread roland
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:19:51 +0200, Nifty Fedora Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:30:14AM +0200, roland wrote: I am using a terminalemulator Anita to login to a server, who validates the ssh connection with 3DES Cipher. Now this server is hacked, somebody entered

Re: microphone not recording

2008-09-16 Thread JoaoCid
Hi, Also, many thanks for the feedback! In fact, I've done that before also without success... I've tried again, and I have the following selected in Edit-->Preferences: -Master -PCM -Line-In -Line-In capture -CD -CD capture -Microphone -Microphone capture -Mic Boost (+20db) -Mic select -PC speaker

Re: strange shell behavior...thoughts?

2008-09-16 Thread Gordon Messmer
Kevin Martin wrote: | sh-3.2$ /bin/ksh -c " set -xv ; grep ABCD b ; echo $? ; if [ "$?" = | "0" ] ; then echo yes ; fi" What I've been seeing is if I try to pass the "/bin/ksh -c "if"" script the $? of the grep never seems to be 0 for some reason so I essentially get the results that I

Re: Installing packages from Fedora repo - is it safe?

2008-09-16 Thread Michael Fleming
Stewart Williams wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but I'm just clarifying. I have updated to the updates-newkey repo for updates, but there are packages that I want to install, and these are still pulled from the fedora (Everything) repo. Is it safe to use the repo yet or are all th

Re: "driver referenced before assignment" warning at boot!?

2008-09-16 Thread William Case
Hi Tim; On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:05 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 12:30 -0400, William Case wrote: > > When I originally installed the new "*.26.3* kernel. the oldest kernel > > was not removed as usual. (Perhaps the full installation was not > > completed??) > > How many kernels do

Re: yum upgrade F8->F9

2008-09-16 Thread Globe Trotter
--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: yum upgrade F8->F9 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for > using Fedora." > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 7:14 PM > Globe Trott

Re: Does Thundergird Crash when to many Emalis in Inbox ??

2008-09-16 Thread Robert
Robin Laing wrote Jim wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Jim wrote: FC8 Does Thunderbird crash when you have to many emails in Inbox ?? I have a friend that has had thunderbird crash three times in one year he says he has 600 emails in Inbox, and I check to see how many emails are in his in

Re: PPC Dependency Issues in mock

2008-09-16 Thread Jameson
I still can't find anything on this. I've tried using setarch to change the reported architecture to ppc, but it says that it's unrecognized. Can anybody give me a lead? Thanks. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Jameson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm trying to use mock to test building packa

Re: "driver referrenced before assignment" warning at boot!?

2008-09-16 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 12:30 -0400, William Case wrote: > When I originally installed the new "*.26.3* kernel. the oldest kernel > was not removed as usual. (Perhaps the full installation was not > completed??) How many kernels do you have installed? rpm -q kernel You normally should have more

Hijacking threads (was: Arranging icons on desktop)

2008-09-16 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > how can you tell when the thread ends When there are no more messages tied to it... Mail clients that thread messages will, somewhere in the list of messages (perhaps before the subject line, perhaps just leftmost of the message listing),

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Patrick O'Callaghan writes: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 22:05 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Rahul Sundaram writes: > Sam Varshavchik wrote: > >> However, nothing stops you from installing 32 bit Firefox, which will >> run just fine on a 64 bit Fedora install. > > You don't have to do that. Fedora

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 22:05 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Rahul Sundaram writes: > > > Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > >> However, nothing stops you from installing 32 bit Firefox, which will > >> run just fine on a 64 bit Fedora install. > > > > You don't have to do that. Fedora by default inst

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 05:50:18PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Dave Feustel wrote: > [snip] >>> 1. Machines do not have X installed and boot to run level 3 I did not write the above point 1. I did write the following: >> Having spent some time running X on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora, and now SUSE

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Rahul Sundaram writes: > >> Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >>> However, nothing stops you from installing 32 bit Firefox, which will >>> run just fine on a 64 bit Fedora install. >> >> You don't have to do that. Fedora by default i

How to conceal userid/passwords in php classes

2008-09-16 Thread Don Russell
I have some php classes I use for accessing mySQL databases on localhost. Somewhere in there, I have the mySQL userid/password so the php script can access the data. What is the normal practice for concealing that type of information? Keeping classes in /usr/share/php seems to imply they need to b

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Rahul Sundaram writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: However, nothing stops you from installing 32 bit Firefox, which will run just fine on a 64 bit Fedora install. You don't have to do that. Fedora by default installs nspluginwrapper which works with the 32-bit plugins on 64-bit arch. It also has

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Sam Varshavchik wrote: However, nothing stops you from installing 32 bit Firefox, which will run just fine on a 64 bit Fedora install. You don't have to do that. Fedora by default installs nspluginwrapper which works with the 32-bit plugins on 64-bit arch. It also has the advantage of adding

Re: Two-pane outliners? (Tuxcards etc...)

2008-09-16 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 09:41:28 pm Kevin Martin wrote: > Have you checked the website > http://lifehacker.com/software/note-taking/note-taking-roundup-230867.php >  ? I don't see any reference there to any Linux outliner. I did my google search before posting on the list and couldn't find a

invalid public key security

2008-09-16 Thread Lim Mei Ying
Hi, After i have downloaded Fedora Desktop Live Media x86_64 Live Cd, I tried to boot iso_linux within poweriso but it says invalid public key security object file: this file (boot.cat) is invalid for the use of the following: Security Catalogue. How do I resolve this? _

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Henning Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 21:29 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > Henning Larsen writes: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I have 32 and 64bit pc's with f9, I believe 32bit is less troublesome, > > > Is there any big loss in speed run

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Henning Larsen writes: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 21:29 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Henning Larsen writes: > Hi > > I have 32 and 64bit pc's with f9, I believe 32bit is less troublesome, > Is there any big loss in speed running 32bit f9 on 64bit cpu? There's some speed penalty. Native 64 bit a

Re: Two-pane outliners? (Tuxcards etc...)

2008-09-16 Thread Kevin Martin
Jorge Fábregas wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've been using Tuxcards for a couple of years as my main outliner (before > that I used Knowit). The problem is... both projects are no longer > maintained (more than 2 years ago). > > Does anyone knows any good two-pane outliner - similar to the a

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Henning Larsen
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 21:29 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Henning Larsen writes: > > > Hi > > > > I have 32 and 64bit pc's with f9, I believe 32bit is less troublesome, > > Is there any big loss in speed running 32bit f9 on 64bit cpu? > > There's some speed penalty. Native 64 bit application b

Re: 32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Henning Larsen writes: Hi I have 32 and 64bit pc's with f9, I believe 32bit is less troublesome, Is there any big loss in speed running 32bit f9 on 64bit cpu? There's some speed penalty. Native 64 bit application benefit from having more 64 bit registers on the CPU. Is 32bit more stable t

32bit vs 64bit

2008-09-16 Thread Henning Larsen
Hi I have 32 and 64bit pc's with f9, I believe 32bit is less troublesome, Is there any big loss in speed running 32bit f9 on 64bit cpu? Is 32bit more stable than 64bit? Henning Larsen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedo

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Rick Stevens
Dave Feustel wrote: [snip] 1. Machines do not have X installed and boot to run level 3 Having spent some time running X on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora, and now SUSE 11, I am convinced that using X on any of these platforms enables exploits that cannot be disabled. You cannot have both security an

Two-pane outliners? (Tuxcards etc...)

2008-09-16 Thread Jorge Fábregas
Hello everyone, I've been using Tuxcards for a couple of years as my main outliner (before that I used Knowit). The problem is... both projects are no longer maintained (more than 2 years ago). Does anyone knows any good two-pane outliner - similar to the above ones - that is alive? Thanks!

Re: yum upgrade F8->F9

2008-09-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Globe Trotter wrote: I was wondering if anyone had experience with upgrading F8 to F9 of late. I get a strange bunch of dependencies which indicate that the current rpms (to be upgraded) have dependencies on the old (F8) ones. For example, claws-mail in F8 needs libssl.so.6, etc. But why shou

Re: (DOS?) was Re: i386.newkey f8 vanished!

2008-09-16 Thread Kam Leo
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 16 September 2008, Joel Rees wrote: >>On Sep 16, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Andrea Mastellone wrote: >>> Mike wrote: It seems that the directory: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/8/

yum upgrade F8->F9

2008-09-16 Thread Globe Trotter
I was wondering if anyone had experience with upgrading F8 to F9 of late. I get a strange bunch of dependencies which indicate that the current rpms (to be upgraded) have dependencies on the old (F8) ones. For example, claws-mail in F8 needs libssl.so.6, etc. But why should yum care? Claws-mail

Re: Arranging icons on desktop

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:27 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > How in evolution to you tell the program to thread by In-Reply-To > > > header and not by subject? > > > > Evo *

Re: (DOS?) was Re: i386.newkey f8 vanished!

2008-09-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 16 September 2008, Joel Rees wrote: >On Sep 16, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Andrea Mastellone wrote: >> Mike wrote: >>> It seems that the directory: >>> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/8/ >>> i386.newkey >>> has disappeared from the main download server so yum update is

Re: MySQL has gone away

2008-09-16 Thread Kevin Martin
Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:17:13 +0200, Boris Glawe wrote: > > >>> Is there anything of interest in the mysqld.log file? >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> >> This could be interesting, though I don't know how to interprete these >> messages >> >> 080916 21:28:02 [W

Re: MySQL has gone away

2008-09-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:17:13 +0200, Boris Glawe wrote: > > > Is there anything of interest in the mysqld.log file? > > > > Kevin > > > > > > This could be interesting, though I don't know how to interprete these > messages > > 080916 21:28:02 [Warning] Aborted connection 2 to db: 'uncon

Re: MySQL has gone away

2008-09-16 Thread Boris Glawe
Is there anything of interest in the mysqld.log file? Kevin This could be interesting, though I don't know how to interprete these messages 080916 21:28:02 [Warning] Aborted connection 2 to db: 'unconnected' user: 'UNKNOWN_MYSQL_US' host: 'localhost' (init_connect command failed)

Re: Some sound issues

2008-09-16 Thread Antonio M
2008/9/16 Antonio M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/9/16 Antonio M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Some points: >> >> I have installed Audacity...so I imported an mp3 file and I tried to play. >> I get the message >> Error during audio device opening.Please check playback device options >> and sampling frequen

RE: Please,Help Me

2008-09-16 Thread bruce
for your network/situation, provide us the information/diagram for how you're getting to the net. machine1(ipaddress,os,mask,default gateway,etc...) ^ | | V switch/router (ipaddress,os,mask,etc...) ^ | | V cable/dsl (ipaddress,os,mask,etc...) ^ | | V Inte

Installing packages from Fedora repo - is it safe?

2008-09-16 Thread Stewart Williams
I think I know the answer to this, but I'm just clarifying. I have updated to the updates-newkey repo for updates, but there are packages that I want to install, and these are still pulled from the fedora (Everything) repo. Is it safe to use the repo yet or are all the packages in the process

Re: Please,Help Me

2008-09-16 Thread Bill Davidsen
mohammed magraby wrote: Dear MailMan, I have a proplem, I am using fedora 9 on 6 machines “Intel Core 2 Due 2.40GHz, 1 GB of RAM., and I have a problem connecting to the LAN and Internet. I am wondering if out of the box I need to do something for Fedora to be able to get on the

Re: Arranging icons on desktop

2008-09-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > How in evolution to you tell the program to thread by In-Reply-To > > header and not by subject? > > Evo *always* threads by In-Reply-To where present and AFAIK this cannot >

Re: ssh2

2008-09-16 Thread Bill Davidsen
roland wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:11:05 +0200, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:30 AM, roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello I am using a terminalemulator Anita to login to a server, who validates the ssh connection with 3DES Cipher. Do we assume that yo

Fedora 9: yum problem with nss and/or Python?

2008-09-16 Thread Michael Hannon
Greetings. We've got a number of Fedora 9 systems at work, and most of them seem now to be stable regarding yum updates. But on one of the systems we're getting an error trying to do a "yum update": [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum -y update There was a problem importing one of the Python modul

Re: ssh2

2008-09-16 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:30:14AM +0200, roland wrote: > > I am using a terminalemulator Anita to login to a server, who validates > the ssh connection with 3DES Cipher. > > Now this server is hacked, somebody entered with the root user. > Suddenly I have ssh2 So root has been compromized? How

Re: Please,Help Me

2008-09-16 Thread Waleed Harbi
Hi, Is your FC9 the default installation or you have made some changes on the system? Could you please show us few lines from the system logs? /var/log/message Could you please make sure you turned off the firewall (IPTABLES)? just for a test. What is the results for ifconfig -a command? On Tue,

some videosites does not work in 64bit F9

2008-09-16 Thread Henning Larsen
Two of my pc's behave different when I try to watch streaming videos, one is 32bit and the other 64bit. Both is ok on youtube but on http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=18458 only the 32bit works. Is this a common problem, or is it my pc that is failing? any ideas? Henning Larsen -- fedora-list mailing

Re: Please,Help Me

2008-09-16 Thread Henning Larsen
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 12:23 -0700, mohammed magraby wrote: > > Dear MailMan, > > > I have a proplem, I am using fedora 9 on 6 machines “Intel > Core 2 Due 2.40GHz, 1 GB of RAM., and I have a problem connecting to > the LAN and Internet. I am wondering if out of the box I need to do >

Re: Please,Help Me

2008-09-16 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:23:40 -0700 (PDT) mohammed magraby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My network setup is as follows : > 1 - Static IP to every machine For machines with static IPs, you will almost certainly get better networking behavior if you turn off the new default NetworkManager service a

Please,Help Me

2008-09-16 Thread mohammed magraby
Dear MailMan,   I have a proplem, I am using fedora 9 on 6 machines “Intel Core 2 Due 2.40GHz, 1 GB of RAM., and I have a problem connecting to the LAN and Internet. I am wondering if out of the box I need to do something for Fedora to be able to get on the Internet and LAN. My net

Re: firefox 3 visited link color not showing

2008-09-16 Thread rfjones
> e.g. Load up http://www.google.com/ and click on the about link, let > it > load up the about page, then go *back* to their home page. The > "about" > link will be in a different colour than the unvisited links on that > page alas; same color; it as a box around it until I move the cursor TIA r

Re: FC5 => F8 upgrade : advice?

2008-09-16 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 07:25:55PM +, Beartooth wrote: > > I've come into possession of an otherwise nice machine (so I'm > told; I don't speak hardware) that still has Fedora Core 5 installed. I > want to upgrade it to F8 now, and F10 once that's released. > > Is there a best w

Re: firefox 3 visited link color not showing

2008-09-16 Thread rfjones
> fedora 8 firefox 3.01 > I set the visited link color to red; all links still display black on > white > any ideas? Probably bad authoring on the website that you've tried it with, but you haven't given any examples. Link colouring works as it should do with Firefox 3.0.1 on Fedora 9, here. thi

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:20:06AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: >> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking

Re: Anaconda bug when resizing NTFS partition?

2008-09-16 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Waleed Harbi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > It seems a bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431124 , try > use ntfsresize http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsresize before you > start the installation. > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Richard Sha

Spew of gnome-keyring errors

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
My /var/log/messages has over 900 copies of: Sep 16 12:57:32 bree gnome-keyring-daemon[24951]: couldn't read 4 bytes from client: Sep 16 13:07:32 bree gnome-keyring-daemon[24951]: couldn't read 4 bytes from client: Sep 16 13:17:33 bree gnome-keyring-daemon[24951]: couldn'

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Rick Stevens
Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:20:06 -0700 Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For example, PCI compliance says that you must render the machines as physically difficult to get into as you can. So, you let the Italian Communist Party dictate what you do? :-). That's what I lo

Re: ssh2

2008-09-16 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:48:22 +0200 roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So please give me another advice, Shut it down if you can't get back to deal with it immediately. Your client could be currently serving as a site hosting anything from spam to stolen credit cards to child pornography and an

Re: ssh2

2008-09-16 Thread Aldo Foot
> So please give me another advice, because nobody seems to know how to stop > ssh2. > > Thanks for understanding > > Roland Have a look at this: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1806 is best if you understand some details of how keys work. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redha

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:20:06 -0700 Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For example, PCI compliance says that you must render the > machines as physically difficult to get into as you can. So, you let the Italian Communist Party dictate what you do? :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Mike Burger
> Mike Burger wrote: >>> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: >>> As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. >>> Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message >>> on the fedora-test list: >

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Rick Stevens
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Bob Barrett
Mike Burger wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the fedora-test list: https://www.redhat.

Re: ssh2

2008-09-16 Thread roland
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:11:05 +0200, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:30 AM, roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello I am using a terminalemulator Anita to login to a server, who validates the ssh connection with 3DES Cipher. Now this server is hacked, somebody

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Alan Cox
O> IANAL, however, this doesn't sound right. I can GPL my stuff, > and still have a EULA. I just have to be willing to supply source. You can have an EULA providing it doesn't conflict with the GPL (and local law). That makes the EULA for the code rather limited in what it can contain 8) > Most s

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:53:40AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:44:55AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: For instance, a license that says: "you may not use this software for larceny" *IS*NOT* Free Software. >>> Then ISTM

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Mike McCarty
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:44:55AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: For instance, a license that says: "you may not use this software for larceny" *IS*NOT* Free Software. Then ISTM that whoever releases software which patently could be used for criminal purpose

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread James Kosin
Everyone, Maybe as a compromise, Mozilla (Firefox) could tie the pop-up to the first use of the security feature and not to the start of the application. This way distributions that didn't want the pop-up could disable the features in the default configuration before firefox starts. And when the

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:44:55AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:28:43AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: >>> No. For example, even with GPL, it's normal for people to insist that >>> their software is not being released for purposes of helping

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Mike McCarty
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:28:43AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: No. For example, even with GPL, it's normal for people to insist that their software is not being released for purposes of helping commit crimes. For example, some software which rips CDs include EULAs t

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:28:43AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > No. For example, even with GPL, it's normal for people to insist that > their software is not being released for purposes of helping commit > crimes. For example, some software which rips CDs include EULAs that > prohibit the use for d

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Mike McCarty
Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 08:24 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: It's absolutely pointless to have a discussion about EULA text we are not showing. jef"Is pretty sure that Ubuntu isn't showing this: http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/ "spaleta Some might call that a EULA, but I wouldn't

"driver referrenced before assignment" warning at boot!?

2008-09-16 Thread William Case
Hi; I installed kmod-nvidia-2.6.26.3-29.fc9.x86_64 a few days ago. I just learnt that akmod-nvidia should take care of re-compiling for the livna nvidia driver so I installed akmod-nvidia this morning. Now I get the "driver referenced before assignment" warning every time I boot subsequently fol

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Mike McCarty
Steve Hill wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, Joel Rees wrote: Did you read it? Yep. Some apps show you a EULA for the GPL when they install. And if you can7t agree to the GPL, you can click disagree and refrain from installing. The GPL is not an EULA - the end user is not required to agree to

Re: Fedora List Bounces?

2008-09-16 Thread Mike McCarty
James Wilkinson wrote: [...] hadn’t been delivered. So the mailing list software sets the envelope sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and analyses incoming e-mail to that address to see if it’s a bounce from something it sent out. [...] Thanks for the explanation. I'm not a list management exp

Re: ssh2

2008-09-16 Thread Aldo Foot
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:30 AM, roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello > > I am using a terminalemulator Anita to login to a server, who validates the > ssh connection with 3DES Cipher. > > Now this server is hacked, somebody entered with the root user. > Suddenly I have ssh2 > > So now I get t

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Mike Burger
> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: >> As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand >> the thinking behind it. > > Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message > on the fedora-test list: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedor

Re: Arranging icons on desktop

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > How in evolution to you tell the program to thread by In-Reply-To > header and not by subject? Evo *always* threads by In-Reply-To where present and AFAIK this cannot be turned off. It only falls back to thread-by-subject when there's no In

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:40 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: > > > As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand > > > the thinking behind it. > > > > Sorry,

Re: Arranging icons on desktop

2008-09-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 16:58 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 15:32 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 10:09 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 03:47 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 22:26 -0430, Patrick

Re: Arranging icons on desktop

2008-09-16 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 07:08:21 am Eric wrote: > At 12:16 AM 9/16/2008, Tim wrote: > >Such as replying to someone's > >message instead of starting a *new* thread for a "new" message (thread > >hijacking). Or, not doing a proper reply when you reply to someone's > >message, like replying to s

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: If you're interested in the full story of how we've gotten to where we are now, I've written it up here: http://spot.livejournal.com/299409.html Thank you - that is a very informative article. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PRO

Re: (DOS?) was Re: i386.newkey f8 vanished!

2008-09-16 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 06:37 -0800, Kam Leo wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Bob Marcan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:54:27 +0900 > > Joel Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> On Sep 16, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Andrea Mastellone wrote: > >> > >> > Mike wrote: > >>

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Joel Rees wrote: If you do not agree to the GPL, you have no license at all, and the only thing that allows you to use the software in any way is fair use. Fair use does not necessarily cover running the software. Certainly not the case the world over. ISTR that UK copyr

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Tom "spot" Callaway
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:45 +0100, Steve Hill wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > Here's the problem... Steve hasn't actually seen how the EULA > > situation for FF3 is handled in Fedora 9. > > Correct, which is why my original question was basically: does this issue > affect

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: > > As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand > > the thinking behind it. > > Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message >

Re: (DOS?) was Re: i386.newkey f8 vanished!

2008-09-16 Thread Kam Leo
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Bob Marcan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:54:27 +0900 > Joel Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> On Sep 16, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Andrea Mastellone wrote: >> >> > Mike wrote: >> >> It seems that the directory: >> >> http://download.fedora.redhat

Re: f9: question on load average

2008-09-16 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno lun, 15/09/2008 alle 11.41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto: > poc Many Thanks Poc! for your exhaustive response. -- Dario Lesca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines:

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: > As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand > the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the fedora-test list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/

Re: Some sound issues

2008-09-16 Thread Steve Searle
Around 10:38am on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 (UK time), Antonio M scrawled: > Some points: > > I have installed Audacity...so I imported an mp3 file and I tried to play. > I get the message > Error during audio device opening.Please check playback device options > and sampling frequency of the p

Hijacking threads (was: Arranging icons on desktop)

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 07:08 -0400, Eric wrote: > At 12:16 AM 9/16/2008, Tim wrote: > > > > >Such as replying to someone's > >message instead of starting a *new* thread for a "new" message (thread > >hijacking). Or, not doing a proper reply when you reply to someone's > >message, like replyin

Re: FireFox 3 EULA

2008-09-16 Thread Joel Rees
I really don't have time for this tonight. On Sep 15, 2008, at 9:01 PM, Steve Hill wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, Joel Rees wrote: [...] Some apps show you a EULA for the GPL when they install. And if you can7t agree to the GPL, you can click disagree and refrain from installing. The GPL i

Re: help

2008-09-16 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Try this: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=332781#c17 - Mike Dan Steele wrote: Hello When I got it to recognize the sound card a lot of update came through and now when I try to test the sound card it comes back with this message. audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! aud

Re: (DOS?) was Re: i386.newkey f8 vanished!

2008-09-16 Thread Bob Marcan
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:54:27 +0900 Joel Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Andrea Mastellone wrote: > > > Mike wrote: > >> It seems that the directory: > >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/8/ > >> i386.newkey > >> has disappeared from the

help

2008-09-16 Thread Dan Steele
Hello When I got it to recognize the sound card a lot of update came through and now when I try to test the sound card it comes back with this message. audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=music: Could not open audio device for playback

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Mike Burger
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Mike Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Mike Burger >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Mike Burger > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >>> Mike Burger wrote: >>