Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Noel Zeng wrote: > *That spatial mode leaves behind tons of windows, inconvenient for users. > And I know you can use Shift-Doubleclick or simply change it browser mode, > but why on earth would most of Fedora users have to suffer this > inconvenience simply because the powers that be happened to l

Re: dbus preventing system-config-services from running

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tim wrote: > Don't you mean "update"? "Upgrade" is for changing releases. "upgrade" also processes Obsoletes tags. You should always use "upgrade". Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidel

Re: dbus preventing system-config-services from running

2008-12-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 05:28 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Please open a terminal and run: su -c "yum upgrade" Don't you mean "update"? "Upgrade" is for changing releases It isn't. Read the man page. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: ht

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Five seconds is probably ambitious, but I still like how my old Amiga >> would COLD BOOT in 13 seconds, warm boot was 11 seconds. That's from >> off, to fully working system. g: > also, think about how much memory you had and was it 8 bit. hard drives? No, not 8 bits. ;-) But there was

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 11:29 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > One other thing - was the Amiga booting from ROM? Only partially. Though the point was more about efficiency in a system, versus not. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, th

Re: fuse changed my mount points?

2008-12-20 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 13:12 -0500, Steve wrote: > It appears that this started between Dec 9 and Dec 10 and the only > thing that was updated was cups. > Any ideas? Look through yum.log rather than just the logwatch email, for other things around that date. Logwatch is often behind, or even crazi

Re: Lets test the h...@!! out of KDE4.2 before it releases...

2008-12-20 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Often, you really don't have much of a choice of what graphics hardware >> to pick from. Before I bought my laptop, I spent ages researching what >> I could buy locally. My choices were NVidia, ATI, and some Intel >> chipset that I couldn't see listed as being supported. Kevin Kofler: >

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 04:46 +, Noel Zeng wrote: > That spatial mode leaves behind tons of windows, inconvenient for > users. And I know you can use Shift-Doubleclick or simply change it > browser mode, but why on earth would most of Fedora users have to > suffer this inconvenience simply becaus

Re: Text rendering in FX3

2008-12-20 Thread Marc Schwartz
"David Orman" writes: > Renders fine for me... > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008111217 Fedora/ > 3.0.4-1.fc10 Firefox/3.0.4 > > > Only plugin in FF is Adblock Plus. > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Marcelo Magno T. Sales > wrote: > > Em Sáb 20 Dez 2

Re: dbus preventing system-config-services from running

2008-12-20 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 05:28 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Please open a terminal and run: > su -c "yum upgrade" Don't you mean "update"? "Upgrade" is for changing releases. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I r

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Noel Zeng
Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access_poll OK, you may argue that there is not enough proof to show that the poll is reflective of normal users, but the other reasons for change are compelling enough, methinks. It is also a difficult ask for a scientific surv

Re: publican downlaod

2008-12-20 Thread Aleksandar Kostadinov
Todd Zullinger wrote, On 12/20/2008 05:00 PM (EEST): Aleksandar Kostadinov wrote: does publican have any homepage and binary packages for download (not fedora RPMs). Yep: https://fedorahosted.org/publican/ Thanks! I did find only http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Publican and http

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Ed Greshko
Noel Zeng wrote: > Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > > >> It isn't the content of the pollit is the polling methodology. >> >> But, never mind. I'm glad important things are decided by these "polls". >> > > I stand by my poll. You haven't addressed my points about the methodology,

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Noel Zeng
Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > It isn't the content of the pollit is the polling methodology. > > But, never mind. I'm glad important things are decided by these "polls". I stand by my poll. You haven't addressed my points about the methodology, as stated in my first post. I have ne

Re: Text rendering in FX3

2008-12-20 Thread David Orman
Renders fine for me... Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008111217 Fedora/3.0.4-1.fc10 Firefox/3.0.4 [orma...@ormandj-laptop ~]$ rpm -qi firefox Name: firefox Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 3.0.4 Ven

Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:36:30 +0100 DB wrote: > Evening all, > > I just did the latest batch of F9 PackageKit updates - with > disastrous effect! (See attached list) Quite strange. How did you apply those updates? PackageKit? yum? With what command? Is there anything non standard in your /etc

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Noel Zeng wrote: > From: Noel Zeng > Subject: Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11 > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:04 PM > Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > > > Doesn't matter > > > > It is only a poll of thos

Re: Text rendering in FX3

2008-12-20 Thread Marcelo Magno T. Sales
Em Sáb 20 Dez 2008, Marc Schwartz escreveu: > "Marcelo Magno T. Sales" writes: > > Hi, people > > > > Some sites I visit are displayed with text rendering problems when > > I see them in FX3 on F10. However, FX3 on Windows displays them > > correctly. I've setup fonts in the Linux version exactly

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Ed Greshko
Noel Zeng wrote: > Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > > >> Doesn't matter >> >> It is only a poll of those people who have decided to respond.No >> better than the various CNN online polls an those types. >> > > So according to you, there won't be a way of determining whether people

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Noel Zeng
Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > Doesn't matter > > It is only a poll of those people who have decided to respond.No > better than the various CNN online polls an those types. So according to you, there won't be a way of determining whether people like something or not? Because, if one

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Ed Greshko
Noel Zeng wrote: > Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > > >> Woopie >> >> I hope you realized this type of "poll" is totally unscientific and >> meaningless. >> >> > > Unscientific and meaningless? How so? I bet you didn't even read the poll. > Doesn't matter It is only a poll of

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Noel Zeng
Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > Woopie > > I hope you realized this type of "poll" is totally unscientific and > meaningless. > Unscientific and meaningless? How so? I bet you didn't even read the poll. I kept my personal opinion out of my poll question and my post. Neutral and fair des

Re: dbus preventing system-config-services from running

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
stan wrote: > I installed all updates from updates and updates testing for Fedora 10 > x86_64. When I try to start the service > configuration from either the menu or the command line it fails. I > remember seeing something about a dbus error but I > thought that was fixed. Here is the error mes

Re: "Free Public Wifi", and me being snoopy

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Frank Cox wrote: > A new wireless signal showed up on Network Manager on my Fedora 10 laptop > yesterday named "Free Public Wifi". You've fallen prey to the most widespread "SSID virus". It might not even have been intended as such, but it's spreading like one. As others have said, remove that SSI

Re: How do I activate compiz on kde with F10?

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Steven W. Orr wrote: > I'm interested in trying it but I have no idea how to activate it. It > looks cool. Where do I start? Install compiz-kde, then pick the Compiz Switcher from the menu or run desktop-effects-kde (that's its internal name) from a terminal. I think the default window manager can

Re: libgtkhtml3 bug??

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
fred smith wrote: > I'm trying to compile gnomesword. You _do_ realize that gnomesword is already packaged in Fedora? Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/

Re: How do you start the desktops that come with Fedora 10

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dave Feustel wrote: > yum groupinstall LXDE fails (not found). Are you on F10? LXDE is new in F10. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/Ma

Re: f10: kpackagekit; authentication failed

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
g wrote: > so what is patch? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=323469 It's a source patch though, I haven't published any packages with it yet. I'd have hoped the official Fedora PolicyKit (and PolicyKit upstream) to get fixed, but it looks I was too optimistic there. :-( Ke

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tim wrote: > KDE's even worse - whacking great big menu, needs a search function to > find things because it's two awkward to use as a menu. A gazillion and > one configuration options that you fiddle with rather than actually use > the computer. Right-click, switch to Classic style menu. 2 click

Re: Lets test the h...@!! out of KDE4.2 before it releases...

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mark wrote: > Also something important. > I also installed (and removed) compiz fusion. KDE seems to go way more > smoother with compiz fusion then with anything else so perhaps good to > try that out. > I had to install and use the emerald decoration manager to get it all > working. Is the kde4-w

Re: Lets test the h...@!! out of KDE4.2 before it releases...

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tim wrote: > Often, you really don't have much of a choice of what graphics hardware > to pick from. Before I bought my laptop, I spent ages researching what > I could buy locally. My choices were NVidia, ATI, and some Intel > chipset that I couldn't see listed as being supported. Chances are it

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Mark wrote: >> To be completely off topic -- the discussion about browser mode seems >> over anyway -- the kde 4 menu does suck. besides that it's buggy it's >> not intuitive although it might be better if the existing bugs are >> fixed. The o

Re: Plymouth Config

2008-12-20 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Richard Shaw wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Michael Cronenworth >> wrote: >>> Joseph L. Casale wrote: Sorry, I guess it was ambiguous. That's what I have at which point it fails on booting and when I t

Re: "Free Public Wifi", and me being snoopy

2008-12-20 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Frank Cox wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:13:54 -0600 Les Mikesell wrote: You see those all over the place and can tell from the 'ad hoc' mode that it is another computer instead of a real access point. I always thought it was a scam trying to steal passwords or something, but I guess it's

Re: F10 boot progress bar

2008-12-20 Thread Robert Moskowitz
elk dolk wrote: Hi all, Instead of seeing the beautiful blue & white progress bar I want to see the boot sequence detail. How can I change it? still does the trick to get details when you want them. Seems to work more consistantly than . -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.c

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mark wrote: > To be completely off topic -- the discussion about browser mode seems > over anyway -- the kde 4 menu does suck. besides that it's buggy it's > not intuitive although it might be better if the existing bugs are > fixed. The only thing it is is looking better then what was the > classi

Re: Plymouth Config

2008-12-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Richard Shaw wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> Joseph L. Casale wrote: >>> Sorry, >>> I guess it was ambiguous. That's what I have at which point it fails on >>> booting and when >>> I type 0x34B at the prompt, it then works. >>> >> Not to sound rude, but cou

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Les Mikesell wrote: > Is there a fixed policy on how fedora must relate to upstream packages? > That is, do you have a requirement to take every default that the > upstream has (themes, etc.)? Or can any packager make any whimsical > change he wants at any time? Or something in between? The pa

Re: Plymouth Config

2008-12-20 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Joseph L. Casale wrote: >> >> Sorry, >> I guess it was ambiguous. That's what I have at which point it fails on >> booting and when >> I type 0x34B at the prompt, it then works. >> > > Not to sound rude, but could you copy/paste the ex

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Temlakos
Ed Greshko wrote: Mark wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Noel Zeng wrote: Mark gmail.com> writes: Hey, The question is simple: Lets use the browser view of nautilus in the next fedora release. Hi all, I decided to set up a poll in Fedora Foru

Re: Text rendering in FX3

2008-12-20 Thread Marc Schwartz
"Marcelo Magno T. Sales" writes: > Hi, people > > Some sites I visit are displayed with text rendering problems when I see > them in FX3 on F10. However, FX3 on Windows displays them correctly. > I've setup fonts in the Linux version exactly the same as they are in > Windows. > Most common pro

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Ed Greshko
Mark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Noel Zeng wrote: > >> Mark gmail.com> writes: >> >> >>> Hey, >>> >>> The question is simple: >>> Lets use the browser view of nautilus in the next fedora release. >>> >> Hi all, >> >> I decided to set up a poll in Fedora Forum - >> ht

Fedora 10 Stables feed broken?

2008-12-20 Thread Andre Costa
Hi, anyone managed to subscribe to Fedora 10 Stables feed? I always get: "500 Internal error The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request." Other feeds (Pending, Testing and Security) are all fine. Regards, Andre -- fedora-list mailing list fe

Re: Very slow-starting EVDO modem (WORK-AROUND FOUND)

2008-12-20 Thread Frank Cox
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:50:36 -0600 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Well, I am not too good with HAL rules yet, but you could try a udev > rule something like this: > > ACTION=="add", ATTR{idVendor}=="1410", ATTR{idProduct}=="5010", > run="/usr/sbin/eject $DEVPATH", OPTIONS="last_rule" > > The rule

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Noel Zeng wrote: > Mark gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Hey, >> >> The question is simple: >> Lets use the browser view of nautilus in the next fedora release. > > Hi all, > > I decided to set up a poll in Fedora Forum - > http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread Les Mikesell
g wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Konstantin Svist wrote: So my question is, how plausible is running Fedora without initrd? Don't the majority of users out there have similar hardware, making initrd unnecessary? 'similar' is not the same as 'same'. if every computer ha

dbus preventing system-config-services from running

2008-12-20 Thread stan
I installed all updates from updates and updates testing for Fedora 10 x86_64. When I try to start the service configuration from either the menu or the command line it fails. I remember seeing something about a dbus error but I thought that was fixed. Here is the error messages I get. # sys

Re: "Free Public Wifi", and me being snoopy

2008-12-20 Thread Frank Cox
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:13:54 -0600 Les Mikesell wrote: > You see those all over the place and can tell from the 'ad hoc' mode > that it is another computer instead of a real access point. I always > thought it was a scam trying to steal passwords or something, but I > guess it's just another c

Auto-run a DVD

2008-12-20 Thread Frank Cox
On a F10 laptop, when I insert a commercial movie dvd I get a window that tells me "you have just inserted a video dvd" and gives me an opportunity to select a default application to open it with. However, the bar to make the selection in says "no applications found". A bit of google-searching te

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
g wrote: > Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >> If you build your own kernel, with everything you need to boot built >> in, then you do not need an initrd. I guess I am not in the >> "majority" because none of my machines has the same hardware. One > > nice collection of 'toys'. > Thanks. > if you h

Re: Very slow-starting EVDO modem (WORK-AROUND FOUND)

2008-12-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Frank Cox wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:33:19 -0600 > Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >> I am glad to hear you have it working. > > I'm very pleased about that, myself. > >> Maybe a HAL rule to eject the SCSI device the Novatel as soon as it >> is detected? Or a udev rule that does the same thing

PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)

2008-12-20 Thread DB
Evening all, I just did the latest batch of F9 PackageKit updates - with disastrous effect! (See attached list) I think (!) RPM is still working but Packagekit & yum amongst (many) others have gone. I've tried to re enable the rpmfusion reps & rpm tells me that the latest ones are installe

Re: How do I activate compiz on kde with F10? (fwd)

2008-12-20 Thread Steven W. Orr
Passed on as requested. Thanks Marko. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:24:04 From: Marko Vojinovic Reply-To: vma...@phy.bg.ac.yu To: fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: Steven W. Orr Subject: Re: How do I activate compiz on kde with F10? On Saturday 20 December 2008 05

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > If you build your own kernel, with everything you need to boot built > in, then you do not need an initrd. I guess I am not in the > "majority" because none of my machines has the same hardware. One nice collection of 'to

Text rendering in FX3

2008-12-20 Thread Marcelo Magno T. Sales
Hi, people Some sites I visit are displayed with text rendering problems when I see them in FX3 on F10. However, FX3 on Windows displays them correctly. I've setup fonts in the Linux version exactly the same as they are in Windows. Most common problems is text being truncated, or text that shou

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Noel Zeng
Mark gmail.com> writes: > > Hey, > > The question is simple: > Lets use the browser view of nautilus in the next fedora release. Hi all, I decided to set up a poll in Fedora Forum - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=208330 - vote there guys! Regards, Noel. -- fedora-list maili

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mark wrote: >> >> I >> think i am indeed getting done a part of what i hoped and that's >> raising awareness that this option in nautilus should be changed and >> that the majority of any linux related community is in favor of it. I >> don

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Konstantin Svist wrote: > > IIRC, the idea was to initialize hardware in parallel. The only thing > (?) required for this to work is using kernel alone, without initrd. > So my question is, how plausible is running Fedora without initrd? Don't > the majority of users out there have similar hardwar

What's with Nautilus Browsers and remote mounts?

2008-12-20 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
I am using F9. I have noted, that for some reason, having local Nautilus browsers and one (or more) remote Nautilus browsers can cause problems. For example, I have several local browsers opened, then occasionally I would have one or more remote NTFS mounts with remote browsers with each of the

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Konstantin Svist wrote: > So my question is, how plausible is running Fedora without initrd? Don't > the majority of users out there have similar hardware, making initrd > unnecessary? 'similar' is not the same as 'same'. if every computer had *exac

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> >> That's a copout excuse. You are spending a lot of time right now >> beating your head on the brick wall on this issue. Figuring out a >> technical solution in the form of a LiveCD under the umbrella of the >> GNOME

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mark wrote: >> >> 2. I always was under the impression that gnome especially was a >> democracy but it turns out it's under dictatorship and then call it: >> "Meritocracy" with a dictator like taste. >> > > I have yet to see any Free and ope

Re: Deactivating password request after screen lock

2008-12-20 Thread Beartooth
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:39:54 -0500, Weiner, Michael wrote: > I have an unusual request from a user that I support, who would like me > to deactivate (or disable) the password request that occurs after the > screen is locked in an X session. He runs KDE and when the session is > inactive, it locks

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Les Mikesell
Jeff Spaleta wrote: That's a copout excuse. You are spending a lot of time right now beating your head on the brick wall on this issue. Figuring out a technical solution in the form of a LiveCD under the umbrella of the GNOME project might actually be the better argument than what you are doin

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Les Mikesell
Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 20:53 +0100, Mark wrote: Btw your idea of "my spin idea" might very well be true ^_^ it's just that it sucks up so much time which i don't want to spend at it. Creating a sabayon profile with your favourite changes and storing it away in some safe

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Mark wrote: >> Now that you say it like that you might be right. > > I'm always right. That has never been the problem for me. Its just > one of those inherent truths of the universe. don't get over confide

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Mark wrote: > Now that you say it like that you might be right. I'm always right. That has never been the problem for me. Its just one of those inherent truths of the universe. But you know what, its not enough for me to be right all the time. The skill I've had

Re: cron.weekly

2008-12-20 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 12/14/2008 09:30 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:18:50 + (GMT) Patrick Dupre wrote: If crond was interrupted for some reasons, does anacron would restart it at 12:11 ? I can't for the life of me figure out when anacron decides to do what, I just know that things a

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
2. I always was under the impression that gnome especially was a democracy but it turns out it's under dictatorship and then call it: "Meritocracy" with a dictator like taste. No, gnome is not a democracy at all, and does not claim to be. The individual module maintainers basically have total c

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 20 December 2008, Frank Cox wrote: >On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:29:37 -0600 > >Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> One other thing - was the Amiga booting from ROM? > >Depends on the Amiga. On the 500 and 1000 models, you had to boot from a >Kickstart disk, then boot from a Workbench disk. The 2

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 20:53 +0100, Mark wrote: > >> Btw your idea of "my spin idea" might very well be true ^_^ it's just >> that it sucks up so much time which i don't want to spend at it. >> > > Creating a sabayon profile with your favour

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Mark wrote: >>> >> To all other ppl. please keep the usability list included since this >> really is something they should be aware of. >> > > Keep in mind that cross-posting to multiple lists sucks for everyone who is > not a member of all of

Re: Why did I not get readahead when I upgraded from F9 to F10?

2008-12-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Steven W. Orr wrote: I noticed that the new F10 boot process is supposed to be somewhat faster because it took advantage of a new package called readahead. That's incorrect. Readahead had nothing to do with Fedora boot optimization. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup f

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mark wrote: >> What do you expect of me? >> I started nice and what did i get in return: "we don't vote here" and >> there is no other way to get the word out. > > No mark you didn't start nice. You started

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Les Mikesell
Mark wrote: To all other ppl. please keep the usability list included since this really is something they should be aware of. Keep in mind that cross-posting to multiple lists sucks for everyone who is not a member of all of them because they'll get bounces pointing that out, and there's a

Re: Simple question regarding touch and mv

2008-12-20 Thread Todd Zullinger
Konstantin Svist wrote: > Don't some programs interpret -- as stdin? I've never run into one. If anything is interpreted as stdin, it's usually just a single -. -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mark wrote: > What do you expect of me? > I started nice and what did i get in return: "we don't vote here" and > there is no other way to get the word out. No mark you didn't start nice. You started out demanding a vote in order to coerce a change. Demanding a

Re: [Usability] Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 08:14:18PM +0100, Mark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:02:26PM +0100, Mark wrote: > >> To the people reading the gnome usability list and see this for the > >> first time.. look here for the full discussion (about

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Mark wrote: >> To the people reading the gnome usability list and see this for the >> first time.. look here for the full discussion (about 150 posts): >> http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?to

Re: Simple question regarding touch and mv

2008-12-20 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:59:09 -0800 Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Is this some quirkiness in the way command arguments are being handled? No quirkiness. Options start with -, putting quotes around a string doesn't change the fact that it starts with a -, it just changes t

Re: Simple question regarding touch and mv

2008-12-20 Thread Konstantin Svist
Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:59:09 -0800 > Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > > >> Is this some >> quirkiness in the way command arguments are >> being handled? >> > > No quirkiness. Options start with -, putting quotes around a > string doesn't change the fact that it starts with a

Re: Simple question regarding touch and mv

2008-12-20 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
Konstantin Svist wrote: Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I wonder why this fails: # touch '-foo' touch: invalid option -- 'o' # touch '\-foo' (works) # mv '-foo' foo mv: invalid option -- 'o' Try `mv --help' for more information. What confuses me is, if foo was surrounded by double-quotes, th

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/12/20 Toshio Kuratomi : >> I don't think rpm packages are the right way to do this. There might be >> some interesting way to extend sabayon to be a "configuration package >> tool", though. That would be highly experimental and is like

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Mark wrote: > To the people reading the gnome usability list and see this for the > first time.. look here for the full discussion (about 150 posts): > http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=65669&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0 Mark, you nee

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread Konstantin Svist
Bill Davidsen wrote: > Konstantin Svist wrote: >> There was a 5-second Linux entry a while back, and it was mentioned that >> 2.6.27 should boot in 1 second (with .5-second boot coming in 2.6.28) >> I'm not seeing it on the F10 install (updated to latest release >> version). >> I'm guessing that's

Re: Simple question regarding touch and mv

2008-12-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:59:09 -0800 Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > Is this some > quirkiness in the way command arguments are > being handled? No quirkiness. Options start with -, putting quotes around a string doesn't change the fact that it starts with a -, it just changes the work the shell does to

Re: [Usability] Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:02:26PM +0100, Mark wrote: >> To the people reading the gnome usability list and see this for the >> first time.. look here for the full discussion (about 150 posts): >> http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopi

Re: "Free Public Wifi", and me being snoopy

2008-12-20 Thread Les Mikesell
Frank Cox wrote: A new wireless signal showed up on Network Manager on my Fedora 10 laptop yesterday named "Free Public Wifi". As there has never, to my knowledge, been any announcement of anyone providing free public wifi in Melville, I became quite curious about this and attempted to connect t

Re: Simple question regarding touch and mv

2008-12-20 Thread Konstantin Svist
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > > I wonder why this fails: > > # touch '-foo' > touch: invalid option -- 'o' > > # touch '\-foo' (works) > # mv '-foo' foo > mv: invalid option -- 'o' > Try `mv --help' for more information. > > What confuses me is, if foo was surrounded by > double-quotes, then expa

Simple question regarding touch and mv

2008-12-20 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
I wonder why this fails: # touch '-foo' touch: invalid option -- 'o' # touch '\-foo' (works) # mv '-foo' foo mv: invalid option -- 'o' Try `mv --help' for more information. What confuses me is, if foo was surrounded by double-quotes, then expansion may be a problem but with single-quotes,

"Free Public Wifi", and me being snoopy

2008-12-20 Thread Frank Cox
A new wireless signal showed up on Network Manager on my Fedora 10 laptop yesterday named "Free Public Wifi". As there has never, to my knowledge, been any announcement of anyone providing free public wifi in Melville, I became quite curious about this and attempted to connect to it. However, whi

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
2008/12/20 David Nielsen : > > > 2008/12/20 Mark >> >> >> And for this entire issue where i made this thread for in the first >> place. Don't expect me to be silent now. I will be vocal about this. >> fedora has a "freedom" sign in it's logo so make that a reality! > > And you remain with the free

Re: Has anyone got Flash plugin working with Firefox on f9_64 (SOLVED)

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
John Austin wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 13:07 -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Michael Cronenworth wrote: Reg Clemens wrote: Thanks, I loaded all the modules mentioned above with yum. BOY, the i386 modules pulled in a LOT of other 386 modules, but I guess thats why we have big disks today...

Re: 1-second kernel

2008-12-20 Thread Les Mikesell
Frank Cox wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:29:37 -0600 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: One other thing - was the Amiga booting from ROM? Depends on the Amiga. On the 500 and 1000 models, you had to boot from a Kickstart disk, then boot from a Workbench disk. The 2000 had a Kickstart rom, but you th

Re: Has anyone got Flash plugin working with Firefox on f9_64 (SOLVED)

2008-12-20 Thread John Austin
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 13:07 -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Reg Clemens wrote: > >> Thanks, I loaded all the modules mentioned above with yum. > >> BOY, the i386 modules pulled in a LOT of other 386 modules, but > >> I guess thats why we have big disks today... > >>

Re: Has anyone got Flash plugin working with Firefox on f9_64 (SOLVED)

2008-12-20 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Reg Clemens wrote: Thanks, I loaded all the modules mentioned above with yum. BOY, the i386 modules pulled in a LOT of other 386 modules, but I guess thats why we have big disks today... There's a 64-bit flash plugin now available. I'd suggest installing that in

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Mark
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Dimi Paun wrote: >> So what do we get for asking that we see this changed? >> - snide remarks > > In this thread..ive seen snide comments from multiple parties on both > sides. I've seen a round in the cycl

Re: Keyboard/mouse not working

2008-12-20 Thread Anoop
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Anoop wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson >> >> wrote: >>> >>> How did you enable the services? I suspect that you only enabled >>> them for run level 3, and not run level 5. >> Yes you are right. Anyway,

Re: Very slow-starting EVDO modem (WORK-AROUND FOUND)

2008-12-20 Thread Frank Cox
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:33:19 -0600 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > I am glad to hear you have it working. I'm very pleased about that, myself. > Maybe a HAL rule to eject the SCSI device the Novatel as soon as it > is detected? Or a udev rule that does the same thing? Just as a > temporary fix? If

Re: Keyboard/mouse not working

2008-12-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Anoop wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson > > wrote: >> >> How did you enable the services? I suspect that you only enabled >> them for run level 3, and not run level 5. > Yes you are right. Anyway, I have solved the problem now. > > Thanks, > Anoop > An easy way to

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