Re: rawhide report: 20090705 changes

2009-07-06 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Josh Boyerjwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 06:46:36PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 11:21:58AM +, Rawhide Report wrote: kernel-2.6.31-0.42.rc2.fc12 --- * Sat Jul 04 2009 Chuck Ebbert

Re: readline update?

2009-07-06 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 04:10:15PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Those applications are obsolete by definition. Such a sentence doesn't make sense. As long as there are users and maintainers for those applications they are not obsolete. I personnally use xfig, xpdf, gv, grace, and I am far from

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 22:17 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Why is it bad to patch configure.ac and rerun the autotools stuff? I used to avoid re-running autotools in rpm builds because I worried that a future autotools update would subtly screw up the build - e.g. disabling a previously

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 17:52 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: As described on the Feature page, but if there's any specific questions about the reasoning on there I'll be happy to answer those questions. I had read the feature page, in which you claim that a three-year cycle disqualifies

Re: rawhide report: 20090705 changes

2009-07-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 09:27:33AM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Josh Boyerjwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 06:46:36PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 11:21:58AM +, Rawhide Report wrote: kernel-2.6.31-0.42.rc2.fc12

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 10:27:43AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 17:52 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: As described on the Feature page, but if there's any specific questions about the reasoning on there I'll be happy to answer those questions. I had read the feature

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: How exactly would that violate the GPL? You aren't patching the actual source code. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

rawhide report: 20090706 changes

2009-07-06 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Jul 6 06:15:04 UTC 2009 New package mcu8051ide IDE for MCS-51 based microcontrollers Updated Packages: abiword-2.7.6-3.fc12 cln-1.3.0-1.fc12 * Thu Jul 02 2009 Deji Akingunola dakin...@gmail.com - 1.3.0-1 - Update to latest

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 18:50 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Richard W.M. Jones writes: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 10:45:46AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: What line number changes? You cut a patch against configure, and you're done. That's it. And you get a big patch containing line

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 14:22 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Sam Varshavchik wrote: How exactly would that violate the GPL? You aren't patching the actual source code. Assuming GPLv2, the term in the license that you're referring to is preferred form. There is clearly some difference of opinion

Re: rawhide report: 20090705 changes

2009-07-06 Thread Jesse Keating
On Jul 6, 2009, at 0:27, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Josh Boyerjwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 06:46:36PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 11:21:58AM +, Rawhide Report wrote: kernel-2.6.31-0.42.rc2.fc12

Re: rawhide report: 20090706 changes

2009-07-06 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:16:12 +, Rawhide Report wrote: prelink-0.4.1-1.fc12 * Sun Jul 05 2009 Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com 0.4.1-1 - add support for STT_GNU_IFUNC on i?86/x86_64 and R_{386,X86_64}_IRELATIVE - add support for DWARF3/DWARF4 features generated

Re: Possible packages...

2009-07-06 Thread Eric Sandeen
Nathanael Noblet wrote: On Jul 5, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: ... Well their python run script checks for its dependancies, and if not met will do a svn checkout of the right copy, however, they don't keep copies of the libraries within their own repository. So if you fulfill

comps groupreqs???

2009-07-06 Thread Seth Vidal
A message from Will Woods on thursday made me go looking at the comps file for a bit. A few groups have these sections: grouplist groupreqx-software-development/groupreq /grouplist this tag is not supported (and hasn't been) for a while in comps. So groupreq is going to do exactly

Re: Possible packages...

2009-07-06 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi,    So I've been toying with the idea of getting more involved with fedora. Up till now if there has been a bug or other issue, i'll file a bug or simply get the srpm and try to update it to a newer version, or create my own specs / rpms when they don't already exist. Lately I've figured

Re: readline update?

2009-07-06 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:27:47 +0200, you wrote: gnu-smalltalk-3.1-5.fc12 I have revisited this package for a license check and changed the license tag to GPLv2+ with exceptions Best Regards: Jochen Schmitt -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:13:07 +0100, Christopher Brown snecklif...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, I'm impressed by your persistence but I think simply trying to re-instate Fedora Legacy (which it sounds like this is what you are trying to do) is doomed to permanent failure. I love your

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:03:01 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: Whether 6 months of additional availability of security updates is going to help, and to what extend, we'll have to see. Compared to the current situation, that'll give an environment 7

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Christopher Brown
2009/7/6 Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com: On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:13:07 +0100, Christopher Brown snecklif...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, I'm impressed by your persistence but I think simply trying to re-instate Fedora Legacy (which it sounds like this is what you are trying to do) is

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:27:43 +0100, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 17:52 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: As described on the Feature page, but if there's any specific questions about the reasoning on there I'll be happy to answer those questions. I

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Christopher Brown wrote: The sooner Fedora gets out of its identity crisis the better. I believe the following: Fedora is the distribution for those who love computers. CentOS, Ubuntu and others are for those who dont. well, crap. I guess I'm in the wrong place ;) -sv

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 07:11:30 -0400, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: No, the sky does not fall. There are a few hurdles though. 1) Master mirror space. This used to be an issue, in that we had to move older releases to alt.fp.o in order to make space for the new release. I believe we

Re: ppc64 assistance

2009-07-06 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Colin Walterswalt...@verbum.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly with -ggdb it builds fine with out without -O0. That makes it a lot more likely to be a compiler flaw (though not guaranteed). Of

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:25:08 +0100, Christopher Brown snecklif...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/6 Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com: On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:13:07 +0100, Christopher Brown snecklif...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, I'm impressed by your persistence but I think simply trying to

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/05/2009 03:28 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. You can find more details at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle Instead of saying yet to be

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 11:16:45AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. You can find more details at

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 09:50:53PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: The FAQ should also answer How is this going to succeed, where Fedora Legacy failed?. You should this was debated a lot in the previous attempts, and I still think that any attempt to do this with fedora infra (not necessarily

ck-list-sessions shows active = false

2009-07-06 Thread darrell pfeifer
Using rawhide and gdm-2.26.1-13.fc12.i586 when I do a ck-list-sessions I see Session4: unix-user = '500' realname = 'darrell pfeifer' seat = 'Seat5' session-type = '' active = FALSE x11-display = ':0' x11-display-device = '' display-device = '' remote-host-name = '' is-local = TRUE on-since =

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:58:52 +0200 Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. You can find more details at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle

RFC: cronKit

2009-07-06 Thread Christoph Höger
Hi, since I sync my mail with the experimental gnome ui of offlineimap, I encounter a small problem: How do I tell cron to only invoke the job when I am logged in under gnome only? Since consolekit (correct me if I am wrong on that) does not provide a way to get that information (it is even

Re: RFC: cronKit

2009-07-06 Thread Till Maas
On Mon July 6 2009, Christoph Höger wrote: since I sync my mail with the experimental gnome ui of offlineimap, I encounter a small problem: How do I tell cron to only invoke the job when I am logged in under gnome only? Since consolekit (correct me if I am wrong on that) does not Do you

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: - The issue I have with this plan (and the others very like it) is that if you say we will just do updates for the things we have people willing to do updates it means the entire end of life distro is not covered and the likelyhood of an outstanding

Re: RFC: cronKit

2009-07-06 Thread Christoph Höger
ps u -C gnome-session | egrep -q ^till offlineimap Yeah, that would be a hack ;). signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

[RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb

2009-07-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! Why we should approve manually requests to watching bugzilla and cvs changes for packages? I'm sure we need to change policy in order to automatically approve all such requests. -- With best regards! -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb

2009-07-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2009/7/6 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com: Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com writes: Why we should approve manually requests to watching bugzilla and cvs changes for packages? I'm sure we need to change policy in order to automatically approve all such requests. Isn't there a security issue there?  

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb

2009-07-06 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 02:14:27PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com writes: Why we should approve manually requests to watching bugzilla and cvs changes for packages? I'm sure we need to change policy in order to automatically approve all such requests. Isn't

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb

2009-07-06 Thread Todd Zullinger
Tom Lane wrote: Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com writes: Why we should approve manually requests to watching bugzilla and cvs changes for packages? I'm sure we need to change policy in order to automatically approve all such requests. Isn't there a security issue there? I'm not sure I want

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:56:43 -0400, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: - The issue I have with this plan (and the others very like it) is that if you say we will just do updates for the things we have people willing to do updates it means the

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb

2009-07-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/06/2009 11:28 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com writes: Why we should approve manually requests to watching bugzilla and cvs changes for packages? I'm sure we need to change policy in order to automatically approve all such requests. Isn't

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeroen van Meeuwen (kana...@kanarip.com) said: These two are my big concerns - doing this badly is worse than not doing it, IMO. When it comes to user's security, I don't want to give promises we can't keep, or leave them in a bind. This has been addressed in another response to the

Re: RFC: cronKit

2009-07-06 Thread Christoph Höger
What I forgot to mention: Obviously it is not enough to know that there is a gnome session running. My programs should inherit the environment. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: RFC: cronKit

2009-07-06 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 07/06/2009 03:58 PM, Christoph Höger wrote: What I forgot to mention: Obviously it is not enough to know that there is a gnome session running. My programs should inherit the environment. I'll point out that upstart will do all this to some point, but I don't expect you to wait around for

Re: RFC: cronKit

2009-07-06 Thread Christoph Höger
Am Montag, den 06.07.2009, 16:02 -0400 schrieb Casey Dahlin: On 07/06/2009 03:58 PM, Christoph Höger wrote: What I forgot to mention: Obviously it is not enough to know that there is a gnome session running. My programs should inherit the environment. I'll point out that upstart will do

Re: RFC: cronKit

2009-07-06 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 07/06/2009 04:05 PM, Christoph Höger wrote: Am Montag, den 06.07.2009, 16:02 -0400 schrieb Casey Dahlin: On 07/06/2009 03:58 PM, Christoph Höger wrote: What I forgot to mention: Obviously it is not enough to know that there is a gnome session running. My programs should inherit the

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 07/05/2009 11:46 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Jos Vosj...@xos.nl wrote: I don't completely agree that desktops tend to need to run the latest and greatest (when we're talking about business desktops), but desktops I don't agree with that position either - note

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: How exactly would that violate the GPL? You aren't patching the actual source code. Oh, no! You mean, the tarball I downloaded from upstream, labeled source code, did not actually contain the source code? Looks like I've been snookered.

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 07/05/2009 08:03 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: They already have 7 months of time to move to the next version. It's just if they absolutely want to skip a version that they only have 1 month. In the field I've often found that a Fedora at GA+0 isn't really ready to deploy. A bunch of fixes

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Adam Jackson writes: On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 18:50 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Richard W.M. Jones writes: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 10:45:46AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: What line number changes? You cut a patch against configure, and you're done. That's it. And you get a big patch

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 17:53 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: So, the choices are, once it's identified where configure goes wrong are: 1) Fix the configure script, with shellcode whose contents are well understood 2) Patch configure.ac, and feed it to a code generator that spits out a

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 23:58 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. You can find more details at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle When we talked at

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/06/2009 02:53 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Adam Jackson writes: On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 18:50 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Richard W.M. Jones writes: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 10:45:46AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: What line number changes? You cut a patch against configure, and

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Josh Boyer wrote: Fedora Legacy (the original one) failed. It failed because of excess bureaucracy (they didn't even trust Bugzilla's authentication, requiring GPG signing of all Bugzilla comments with impact on the procedures, and QA requirements were also unrealistic given the manpower).

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Ralf Corsepius wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: a) it will cause some moderate stir-up to those packages whose upstreams are still abusing the autotools. s/ab// ;-) Why can't we just move to a better build system with higher focus on backwards compatibility? Because a) the

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/06/2009 03:07 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: Bugzilla spam. If we keep the release open for random bug filing, we have no good way of telling bugzilla that only specific users should get bugs for specific releases of Fedora. Ownership is at a product level, not at the product version level.

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Oh, no! You mean, the tarball I downloaded from upstream, labeled source code, did not actually contain the source code? It contains both the actual source code and some unreadable generated gibberish which is NOT source code and which is being passed off as such

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:18:51 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Josh Boyer wrote: Fedora Legacy (the original one) failed. It failed because of excess bureaucracy (they didn't even trust Bugzilla's authentication, requiring GPG signing of all Bugzilla comments with impact on

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Braden McDaniel
On 7/6/09 6:10 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: [snip] Introducing side-effects is something to watch out for but patching configure instead of the true source is a short term fix, not a long term solution. *Any* patch should be viewed as a short-term fix. A patch that needs to persist

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: Oh, no! You mean, the tarball I downloaded from upstream, labeled source code, did not actually contain the source code? It contains both the actual source code and some unreadable generated gibberish which is NOT source code and which is being

Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes

2009-07-06 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 12:43 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: I'm not sure how distributable the KJV is or isnt' It's been out of copyright for some little time, now. Probably.(*) * Of course, one could potentially make some quite interesting legal arguments about the

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:20:50 +0200 Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:57:34 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: ...snip... - The issue I have with this plan (and the others very like it) is that if you say we will just do updates for the things we

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
Wow! 78 messages and still, no one gave solid examples of what might go wrong unnoticed if one uses autotools in a specfile. Using autotools in a specfile is bad started to sound like an urban legend to me. I'll keep reading. Orcan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

GraphicsMagick-1.3.x coming to rawhide

2009-07-06 Thread Rex Dieter
Up'ing to GraphicsMagick-1.3.x in rawhide, which involves an ABI break. I'll take care of (re)building dependant apps, dvdauthor and koffice. Issue tracked here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487605 If you're aware of any other deps I missed, please comment or block the

Fwd: Last call for F9 updates

2009-07-06 Thread Jon Stanley
Please see below from our fabulous releng team! -- Forwarded message -- From: Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:24 PM Subject: Last call for F9 updates To: fedora-devel-list@redhat.com F9 will be EOL'd very very soon.  This is probably the last call for

Use of Priority and Severity fields in Bugzilla

2009-07-06 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi, folks. We in the QA and BugZappers groups have been working for a while on a proposal to use the severity and priority fields in Bugzilla. With the help of various groups, and after considerable feedback both within our groups and from the development group, we're ready to put this into place

logistics list

2009-07-06 Thread John Poelstra
The logist...@lists.fedoraproject.org mailing list has been created to meet the requirements discussed here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-July/msg0.html Anyone is welcome to join the list at: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics and

Requesting Feature Page Status Updates by July 14, 2009

2009-07-06 Thread John Poelstra
One thing we overlooked by dropping the Alpha Release (as we knew it in Fedora 11 and before) is the built-in feature check at Alpha freeze. As a result we need all feature owners to update their feature pages with current completion information by July 14, 2009. I'll be forwarding a list of

Test Machine Resources for Package Maintainers

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings. I have setup some machines/virtual instances here to assist maintainers that might not have access to all versions/arches Fedora runs on. Please see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Machine_Resources_For_Package_Maintainers For more information on the instances, how to use

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Braden McDaniel wrote: The number of people chiming in on this thread to the effect, I've regenerated configure/Makefile.in for years and I've never had a problem, is testament to the fact that backward compatibility of autotools releases has gotten a lot better in recent years. The

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Just because you can't read it, it's not gibberish. It's not that *I* can't read it, it's that it is just plain hard to read, especially because it contains workarounds for bazillions of broken proprietary *nix shells (trying to use Bourne-style shell code as a portable

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Gee, I didn't know that rediffing is a mandatory step. It is when your patch no longer applies after you upgraded the package to a new upstream version. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: Requesting Feature Page Status Updates by July 14, 2009

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
John Poelstra wrote: This checkpoint is important to know if currently accepted features are on track for a successful Fedora 12 landing or if contingency plans need to be considered at Feature Freeze as we prepare for the Alpha release. … for the what? ;-) Kevin Kofler --

Re: Requesting Feature Page Status Updates by July 14, 2009

2009-07-06 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 02:23 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: John Poelstra wrote: This checkpoint is important to know if currently accepted features are on track for a successful Fedora 12 landing or if contingency plans need to be considered at Feature Freeze as we prepare for the Alpha

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:18:51AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Josh Boyer wrote: Without a concrete group of people large enough to make this wory saying that they are signing up to do that work, I don't have high hopes for this succeeding in the long run. We'd just need some minimal

Re: Requesting Feature Page Status Updates by July 14, 2009

2009-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: Per https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Milestone_Adjustment_Proposal what used to be called Beta is now called Alpha. This matches industry nomenclature for what we were actually producing. Uh, I kinda recalled that the feedback on the mailing list for this renaming

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-06 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 07/06/2009 09:19 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jeroen van Meeuwen (kana...@kanarip.com) said: These two are my big concerns - doing this badly is worse than not doing it, IMO. When it comes to user's security, I don't want to give promises we can't keep, or leave them in a bind. This has been

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: Just because you can't read it, it's not gibberish. It's not that *I* can't read it, it's that it is just plain hard to read, especially because it contains workarounds for bazillions of broken proprietary *nix shells (trying to use Bourne-style

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: Gee, I didn't know that rediffing is a mandatory step. It is when your patch no longer applies after you upgraded the package to a new upstream version. Which, as I pointed out, is still the case if you were to patch configure.ac instead.

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Orcan Ogetbil writes: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Orcan Ogetbil writes: Wow! 78 messages and still, no one gave solid examples of what might go wrong unnoticed if one uses autotools in a specfile. I already

[OT] Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Peter Gordon
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 21:24 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Yes, well, that might be one of the reasons why KDE is sweeping over the Linux desktop, and Gnome is just a fading memory for most. Please don't claim such obviously fallacious things. Like it or not, GNOME has been - and continues to

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Peter Gordon writes: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 21:24 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Yes, well, that might be one of the reasons why KDE is sweeping over the Linux desktop, and Gnome is just a fading memory for most. Please don't claim such obviously fallacious things. Like it or not, GNOME has

Display configuration test day tomorrow

2009-07-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
Just a reminder that we are kicking off our 'fit and finish' initiative with a test day on display configuration tomorrow, in #fedora-fit-and-finish. If you go to http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-07-07_Fit_and_Finish:Display_Configuration you'll find more information. We will

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Braden McDaniel
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 16:36 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 07/06/2009 03:57 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote: On 7/6/09 6:10 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: [snip] Introducing side-effects is something to watch out for but patching configure instead of the true source is a short term fix, not

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-06 Thread Braden McDaniel
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 02:02 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Braden McDaniel wrote: The number of people chiming in on this thread to the effect, I've regenerated configure/Makefile.in for years and I've never had a problem, is testament to the fact that backward compatibility of autotools

[Bug 503430] Incorrect Kerning in some applications

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503430 --- Comment #8 from Caius 'kaio' Chance ccha...@redhat.com 2009-07-06 02:09:32 EDT --- Hi Fyva, could you test again with

rpms/liberation-fonts/devel .cvsignore, 1.9, 1.10 liberation-fonts.spec, 1.38, 1.39 sources, 1.13, 1.14

2009-07-06 Thread Caius Chance
Author: cchance Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/liberation-fonts/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30762 Modified Files: .cvsignore liberation-fonts.spec sources Log Message: - Updated to upstream 1.05.1.20090706. - Reconverted from original TTF with traditional kern

[Bug 487581] Liberation Mono: incorrect spacing for Combining Diacritical Marks.

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487581 --- Comment #10 from Caius 'kaio' Chance ccha...@redhat.com 2009-07-06 02:27:13 EDT --- Hi Adam, could you test again with

[Bug 508899] Monospace no more

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508899 --- Comment #6 from Caius 'kaio' Chance ccha...@redhat.com 2009-07-06 02:53:24 EDT --- Tested on F11 with: $ pango-view

[Bug 455510] Undisplayable glyphs on Wikipedia

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455510 Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 508899] Monospace no more

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 508899] Monospace no more

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 428389] monospace font is strange on gnome-terminal.

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428389 Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 504270] [Fonts-Indic][te_IN] - GSUB shape with SSA and HA are wrong.

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504270 Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 487061] Japanese fonts changed to less readable after update

2009-07-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487061 Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: package category new-package for fedora-package-announce

2009-07-06 Thread Luke Macken
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 03:20:43PM -0400, David Juran wrote: Hello! Would it be possible to add a new category for new packages to the fedora-package-announce list? I'm interested in seeing what new packages are released to Fedora but I don't have the time/patience to wade through the

Re: package category new-package for fedora-package-announce

2009-07-06 Thread David Juran
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 10:01 -0400, Luke Macken wrote: Would prepending something like [NEW] to the subject (similar to how we add [SECURITY]) suffice? This would be a fairly trivial change to bodhi. Sure, that would make it easy enough to filter (-: -- David Juran Sr. Consultant Red Hat

Re: package category new-package for fedora-package-announce

2009-07-06 Thread Todd Zullinger
Luke Macken wrote: Would prepending something like [NEW] to the subject (similar to how we add [SECURITY]) suffice? This would be a fairly trivial change to bodhi. If that's done, making a 'New' topic in the mailman list should be trivial as well. Then folks could subscribe and choose to

Re: package category new-package for fedora-package-announce

2009-07-06 Thread Jesse Keating
On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:09, David Juran dju...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 10:01 -0400, Luke Macken wrote: Would prepending something like [NEW] to the subject (similar to how we add [SECURITY]) suffice? This would be a fairly trivial change to bodhi. Sure, that would make it

Some ongoing issues

2009-07-06 Thread Mike McGrath
So we've got some ongoing issues in our environment right now. Some of them are unrelated. All are being worked on but one in particular I want to discuss on the list here because I just don't know what changed. The problem: When one of the fas servers goes offline, most of our other apps get

[Request for Resources] Global ambassadors map.

2009-07-06 Thread susmit shannigrahi
Hi, Here is the details for the RFR of global ambassadors map project. I have also updated the ticket #1514. Thanks. - Project Sponsor - Name:

Self introduction

2009-07-06 Thread Darren VanBuren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello f-i-l! If you're on the websites team, you may know me already, and if you're in #fedora-admin frequently on freenode you might also know me. So, I'm 14 years old (might be scary for some of you to find out), and I'm mostly working with

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