AnneWilson wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2008 17:08:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
As do I, David. And PA wrecked it all until I had gotten out the knife and
removed as much of it as I could. This is not to say that something like
PA isn't potentially useful, but to ship a completely broken PA, and then
AnneWilson wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2008 16:58:56 Bill Davidsen wrote:
and it will NEVER be "improved" because they want it to work differently.
So in your opinion 'different' can't ever be better?
I define an improvement as doing something "better," as in faster, using
fewer resources, mo
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Craig White wrote:
>On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 21:29 +0100, AnneWilson wrote:
>> On Thursday 26 June 2008 17:08:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > As do I, David. And PA wrecked it all until I had gotten out the knife
>> > and removed as much of it as I could. This is not to say tha
Bill Davidsen tmr.com> writes:
> I have the impression that for some users it will never be suitable,
> because it is not an issue of bugs in the code, or missing features
> which will be added, but a change in the underlying philosophy of how
> users should use the desktop. And if the delibera
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 21:29 +0100, AnneWilson wrote:
> On Thursday 26 June 2008 17:08:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > As do I, David. And PA wrecked it all until I had gotten out the knife and
> > removed as much of it as I could. This is not to say that something like
> > PA isn't potentially useful,
On Thursday 26 June 2008 16:58:56 Bill Davidsen wrote:
> and it will NEVER be "improved" because they want it to work differently.
So in your opinion 'different' can't ever be better?
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On Thursday 26 June 2008 17:08:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
> As do I, David. And PA wrecked it all until I had gotten out the knife and
> removed as much of it as I could. This is not to say that something like
> PA isn't potentially useful, but to ship a completely broken PA, and then
> the only help
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>David Boles wrote:
>> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well the main idea behind PA is to eradicate that problem since it
>>> will be a super set
>>
>> And, as I sa
David Boles wrote:
Mike Bird wrote:
On Sat June 21 2008 16:11:26 Kevin Kofler wrote:
When KDE 4.0 was released in January a consensus was reached that major
releases of KDE 4 should occur at six month intervals. Although there
has been some discussion of four month cycles, the consensus for si
Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri June 20 2008 18:50:45 David Boles wrote:
But you do know that you new distro will switch to KDE 4.0 soon too right?
Your definition of "soon" must be different than mine:
Fedora will support KDE 3.5 until approximately December 2008.
Kubuntu will support KDE 3.5 until
David Boles wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well the main idea behind PA is to eradicate that problem since it
will be a super set
And, as I said, I have no problems with Pulseaudio. Why? Well I have a
desktop
wi
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
>>> One thing that slightly surprises me is that having a server
>>> that runs 5 times as fast, with 4 times as much memory,
>>> as my greatly-loved ancient Asus server
>>> does not in fact seem t
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>> One thing that slightly surprises me is that having a server
>> that runs 5 times as fast, with 4 times as much memory,
>> as my greatly-loved ancient Asus server
>> does not in fact seem to speed anything up noticeably.
>
> I am guessing your network is your current bo
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Boles wrote:
> One thing that slightly surprises me is that having a server
> that runs 5 times as fast, with 4 times as much memory,
> as my greatly-loved ancient Asus server
> does not in fact seem to speed anythi
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:57 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> One thing that slightly surprises me is that having a server
> that runs 5 times as fast, with 4 times as much memory,
> as my greatly-loved ancient Asus server
> does not in fact seem to speed anything up noticeably.
A computer spends muc
David Boles wrote:
> A sensible person would run CentOS, or RHEL, or one of the many others,
> for a server. It would be foolish to run any distro, such as Fedora, there
> are many others, in a production type situation.
I'm glad, and a little surprised, to find that I am not "foolish",
at least
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 20:41 -0400, Kelly Miller wrote:
>
> On June 22, 2008 8:00:27 am Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
> > Em Domingo 22 Junho 2008, Kelly Miller escreveu:
> > > > And don't give me the crap that Fedora is bleeding edge software.
> > > > F9 is beyond bleeding, its suicidal.
> > >
> >
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:18 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:56 +, g wrote:
> >
> > It might be better to avoid the use of "labels" as much as possible. I
> > know it's hard to do in practice. Sadly, I have my share of favorites.
> > "Idiot" just rolls
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 00:32 -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
> There's someone on this list who is running a huge cluster of Fedora
> servers doing scientific work in a Govt. agency. There are many, many
> others running Fedora in production situations...
In business, you use whatever does the job. Whi
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:18 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> A sensible person would run CentOS, or RHEL, or one of the many
> others, for a server. It would be foolish to run any distro, such as
> Fedora, there are many others, in a production type situation.
> Something that changes as often, as quick
On Sun June 22 2008, David Boles wrote:
> So tell me Ric. What would you call someone that would do this, described
> above? Bob? Fred? Or a fool?
There's someone on this list who is running a huge cluster of Fedora servers
doing scientific work in a Govt. agency. There are many, many others runn
David Boles gmail.com> writes:
> So what are you saying here? Yahoo should run Fedora on theri
> servers? Or Google? Or NASA?
NASA actually uses Fedora on some of their machines. They do also use RHEL
though. See Jack Aboutboul's account:
http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2008/02/fedora-on-final-fr
Mike Bird wrote:
On Sun June 22 2008 19:18:46 David Boles wrote:
A sensible person would run CentOS, or RHEL, or one of the many others, for
a server. It would be foolish to run any distro, such as Fedora, there are
many others, in a production type situation.
Would it meet your definition of
Craig White wrote:
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:19 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
2. It attaches a negative aspersion to anyone who doesn't agree with
your thinking.
Doesn't mean it's wrong.
There's a philosophy on the ruby on rails list - in fact all ruby lists
relating to the author of the
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:19 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> > 2. It attaches a negative aspersion to anyone who doesn't agree with
> > your thinking.
>
> Doesn't mean it's wrong.
There's a philosophy on the ruby on rails list - in fact all ruby lists
relating to the author of the ruby langu
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:18 -0400, David Boles wrote:
>> Ric Moore wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:56 +, g wrote:
>> >
>> > It might be better to avoid the use of "labels" as much as possible. I
>> > know it's hard t
On Sun June 22 2008 19:18:46 David Boles wrote:
> A sensible person would run CentOS, or RHEL, or one of the many others, for
> a server. It would be foolish to run any distro, such as Fedora, there are
> many others, in a production type situation.
Would it meet your definition of "foolish" for
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:18 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:56 +, g wrote:
> >
> > It might be better to avoid the use of "labels" as much as possible. I
> > know it's hard to do in practice. Sadly, I have my share of favorites.
> > "Idiot" just rolls
Ric Moore wrote:
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:56 +, g wrote:
It might be better to avoid the use of "labels" as much as possible. I
know it's hard to do in practice. Sadly, I have my share of favorites.
"Idiot" just rolls off the fingers when typing it. So does "Twit".
That's a really good one.
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:56 +, g wrote:
> David Boles wrote:
> > Then, if I was you I would run to these other distros and drop Fedora
> > like a hot brick. Oh, BTW, IMO *anyone* that would use Fedora version
> > anything in a production environment is a fool. Fedora itself has said
> > that
On June 22, 2008 8:00:27 am Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
> Em Domingo 22 Junho 2008, Kelly Miller escreveu:
> > > And don't give me the crap that Fedora is bleeding edge software.
> > > F9 is beyond bleeding, its suicidal.
> >
> > Actually, I find that greatly ironic, as I switched temporarily t
Francis Earl gmail.com> writes:
> If you really want KDE3, just set up a repo in Koji and be done with it.
Koji personal repos are not implemented yet.
> KDE doesn't even have any type of SELinux support, so the leading reason
> for using Fedora isn't even applicable for it...
Huh? The point of
Em Domingo 22 Junho 2008, Kelly Miller escreveu:
> > And don't give me the crap that Fedora is bleeding edge software.
> > F9 is beyond bleeding, its suicidal.
>
> Actually, I find that greatly ironic, as I switched temporarily to
> openSUSE because IMO Fedora isn't moving fast ENOUGH for my tast
[Tim wrote about sound mixing]
Patrick O'Callaghan:
>> Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
>> various mixer controls even control.
David Boles:
> It is a choice. If you, either of you, do not like it you should disable it.
> But I seriously doubt that Pulseaudio
> Actually, I find that greatly ironic, as I switched temporarily to openSUSE
> because IMO Fedora isn't moving fast ENOUGH for my taste.
I too did this briefly, but they can't even keep their mirrors
operational on release day, and the system gets in your way entirely too
much, so I'm back...
Ed Greshko wrote:
I thing this should read:
In a free world without fences, who needs Gates.
i will 'shift+g' for God, but never for bill. ;o)
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> And don't give me the crap that Fedora is bleeding edge software. F9
> is beyond bleeding, its suicidal.
Actually, I find that greatly ironic, as I switched temporarily to openSUSE
because IMO Fedora isn't moving fast ENOUGH for my taste. I really really
want to run KDE 4.1 (which IS most d
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I thing this should read:
In a free world without fences, who needs Gates.
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David Boles wrote:
Then, if I was you I would run to these other distros and drop Fedora
like a hot brick. Oh, BTW, IMO *anyone* that would use Fedora version
anything in a production environment is a fool. Fedora itself has said
that. Many times.
david,
please do not call someone a 'fool'.
Mike Bird wrote:
On Sat June 21 2008 19:15:57 David Boles wrote:
David, you asked this question. I answered it. You asked if I had
answered your question and asked your question again. I answered
your question again. Now you reply to my answer to your question by
asking the same question aga
Craig White wrote:
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 20:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 23:24 +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Craig White azapple.com> writes:
People who do software development wouldn't care whether it's KDE 3.5 or
KDE 4
Actually they'll want KDE 4. Who wants to devel
On Sat June 21 2008 19:15:57 David Boles wrote:
> If you tried KDE 4.0 and it was not suitable I gather that you stayed with
> F-8 and KDE 3.5.9? Or did you upgrade anyway? Bitching and whining about
> this solves nothing.
David, you asked this question. I answered it. You asked if I had
answere
Mike Bird yosemite.net> writes:
> KDE 4.0 was released on schedule in January.
KDE 4.0 was originally scheduled for October 23, 2007, and even that was only
after months of mostly unscheduled development, with suggested release dates as
early as Fall 2006.
> KDE 4.1 is still on track for July.
Mike Bird wrote:
On Sat June 21 2008 16:53:07 David Boles wrote:
KDE 4.0 was released on schedule in January. KDE 4.1 is still on track
for July.
So you did see the proposed schedule? And were aware of the possible problems.
Good work.
Most Fedora and Ubuntu releases are on time. Which
On Sat June 21 2008 16:53:07 David Boles wrote:
> Hey Mike. Have you ever seen software released when it was scheduled to be
> released? ;-) Not games (especially games), not drivers, not anything.
KDE 4.0 was released on schedule in January. KDE 4.1 is still on track
for July.
> Except Linux
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 22:51 +, g wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > It was started again virtually from scratch (KDE-4)
>
> from where do you find this information?
if you were running Fedora 9, you would know this because if it were
just migrating from QT-3 to QT-4, many of the applications
Mike Bird yosemite.net> writes:
> KDE release -in-≥Fedora
> 4.0 Jan '08 F9 May '08
> 4.1 Jul '08 F10 Nov '08
F9-updates-testing Jul/Aug '08
F9-updates Aug '08
At least that's the plan.
Kevin Kofler
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On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 20:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 23:24 +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Craig White azapple.com> writes:
> > > People who do software development wouldn't care whether it's KDE 3.5 or
> > > KDE 4
> >
> > Actually they'll want KDE 4. Who wants to dev
g wrote:
>> Seems to me you ought to clarify your problem,
>> eg what do you mean by "log out"?
>
> seems to me, you should read what is written and if you do not understand,
> then reread it.
I read it quite carefully.
You seem to use "shutdown" and "log out" interchangeably.
They are completel
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 23:24 +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Craig White azapple.com> writes:
> > People who do software development wouldn't care whether it's KDE 3.5 or
> > KDE 4
>
> Actually they'll want KDE 4. Who wants to develop against an obsolete API?
KDE developers, sure. There's other so
Mike Bird wrote:
On Sat June 21 2008 16:11:26 Kevin Kofler wrote:
When KDE 4.0 was released in January a consensus was reached that major
releases of KDE 4 should occur at six month intervals. Although there
has been some discussion of four month cycles, the consensus for six
month cycles still
On Sat June 21 2008 16:11:26 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Mike Bird yosemite.net> writes:
> > I'm expecting KDE 4.2 or KDE 4.3 to be suitable for prime time.
> > They should arrive in Fedora in May 2009 and November 2009.
>
> I can't promise anything at this time (also because upstream hasn't decided
> o
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Mike Bird yosemite.net> writes:
I'm expecting KDE 4.2 or KDE 4.3 to be suitable for prime time.
They should arrive in Fedora in May 2009 and November 2009.
I can't promise anything at this time (also because upstream hasn't decided on
a schedule for 4.2 yet, at least not
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well the main idea behind PA is to eradicate that problem since it
will be a super set
And, as I said, I have no problems with Pulseaudio. Why? Well I have a desktop
with 'normal' hardware.
Craig White azapple.com> writes:
> It was started again virtually from scratch (KDE-4)
That is one of those partial truths: yes, the main user-visible parts of the
desktop workspace were rewritten (Kicker and KDesktop replaced by Plasma), but
a lot of things have been ported: most of kdelibs, s
Timothy Murphy eircom.net> writes:
> It seems to me quite difficult to run KDE-3 and KDE-4 on the same machine.
> How exactly do you do it?
> Do you share the same /home partition between the two?
What the distributions shipping parallel-installable KDE 3 and 4 do is to use a
completely separate
Craig White azapple.com> writes:
> People who do software development wouldn't care whether it's KDE 3.5 or
> KDE 4
Actually they'll want KDE 4. Who wants to develop against an obsolete API?
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Mike Bird yosemite.net> writes:
> I'm expecting KDE 4.2 or KDE 4.3 to be suitable for prime time.
> They should arrive in Fedora in May 2009 and November 2009.
I can't promise anything at this time (also because upstream hasn't decided on
a schedule for 4.2 yet, at least not that I know of), but
Craig White wrote:
It was started again virtually from scratch (KDE-4)
from where do you find this information?
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Timothy Murphy wrote:
when ever i go to shut down kde, i play a guessing game with it. should
i bother with 'log out' or go ahead and press , which,
by the way, fails almost as often as 'log out'.
Seems to me you ought to clarify your problem,
eg what do you mean by "log out"?
seems to me, yo
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 14:36 -0400, David Boles wrote:
>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:
>> >
>> > Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
>>
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 14:36 -0400, David Boles wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:
Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
various mixer controls even control.
It is a choice. If you, either o
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 14:36 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:
> >
> > Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
> > various mixer controls even control.
>
>
> It is a choice. If you, either of you,
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:
Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
various mixer controls even control.
It is a choice. If you, either of you, do not like it you should disable it.
But I seriously doubt that Pulseaudio
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:50 -0300, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
> Em Sábado 21 Junho 2008, Patrick O'Callaghan escreveu:
> > On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:15 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > > Isn't ctrl-alt-backspace meant to kill X, rather than shutdown?
> > > (I could be wrong as I never use it.)
>
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:35 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> > Pulseaudio is supposed to allow you to set the volume level(s) of
> > various applications/output devices so that they can be different.
> > Music soft. Ta-Ta! loud. As well as others. What is
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:50 -0300, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
> CTRL+ALT+BS kills X and the graphical login manager too, so it
> re-reads the xorg.conf file (if you have altered it, this is needed),
> reload video drivers (if you have updated it, this is needed) and
> reload the xdm/gdm/kdm conf
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:35 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> Pulseaudio is supposed to allow you to set the volume level(s) of
> various applications/output devices so that they can be different.
> Music soft. Ta-Ta! loud. As well as others. What is not so functional
> is the applications that are not
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:41 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Arthur - you wrote "They'll wait till Fedora users and other similar
> early adopters have helped iron out the bugs. Kinda like Pulse Audio,
> NetworkManager, etc". Yes, someone has to be an early adopter for
> bugs to be ironed out.
By that
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 21 June 2008 00:47:24 Mike Bird wrote:
>> The other distros are supporting both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.x for one to
>> three years. This allows people to migrate once KDE 4.x meets their
>> needs.
>
> As I mentioned e
Em Sábado 21 Junho 2008, Patrick O'Callaghan escreveu:
> On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:15 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > Isn't ctrl-alt-backspace meant to kill X, rather than shutdown?
> > (I could be wrong as I never use it.)
>
> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills the X server. It's not clear to me whether
> t
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:15 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Isn't ctrl-alt-backspace meant to kill X, rather than shutdown?
> (I could be wrong as I never use it.)
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills the X server. It's not clear to me whether
there is any practical difference between doing that and hitting a
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 15:57 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
>
> > LDAP does feel a bit daunting. I feel that it should be possible to learn
> > and activate one bit of its potential at a time, but after reading a
> > couple of
> > web pages about it I gave up. Does the book you
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:26 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> David Boles wrote:
>
> > Chill out guy. All you are hearing is the sour grapes. The 'happiest'
> > never post. Except for Anne.
>
> Maybe happy pills should be circulated with Linux distributions ...
>
> Seriously, I think Anne is too ki
Timothy Murphy wrote:
David Boles wrote:
Chill out guy. All you are hearing is the sour grapes. The 'happiest'
never post. Except for Anne.
Maybe happy pills should be circulated with Linux distributions ...
Seriously, I think Anne is too kind.
I am genuinely puzzled by the minor problems th
David Boles wrote:
> Chill out guy. All you are hearing is the sour grapes. The 'happiest'
> never post. Except for Anne.
Maybe happy pills should be circulated with Linux distributions ...
Seriously, I think Anne is too kind.
I am genuinely puzzled by the minor problems that came with KDE-4.
It
g wrote:
> i am using f8 and from what i have been thru and still going thru,
> i must say that f8 is not a whole lot better than what i am reading
> that f9 is like.
...
> when ever i go to shut down kde, i play a guessing game with it. should
> i bother with 'log out' or go ahead and press , whi
Mike Bird wrote:
> The difference, Kevin, is that Kubuntu shipped KDE 4.x a month before
> Fedora and will support KDE 3.5 nine months after Fedora ends support.
>
> Kubuntu is providing people with three times the transition period that
> Fedora is offering. Debian will probably go even further
Anne Wilson wrote:
> LDAP does feel a bit daunting. I feel that it should be possible to learn
> and activate one bit of its potential at a time, but after reading a
> couple of
> web pages about it I gave up. Does the book you mention lead you in
> reasonably slowly? I've rather a lot on my pl
Timothy Murphy wrote:
Mike Bird wrote:
Please see the subject of this thread. Those of us who are switching
are doing so because the answer to the question was negative. We didn't
randomly upgrade our production systems. We tested F9 and determined
that KDE 4.x is not ready for prime time.
Timothy Murphy wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
They'll wait till Fedora users and other similar early adopters have
helped iron out the bugs. Kinda like Pulse Audio, NetworkManager, etc
I fear that will be a very long wait ...
Actually, NM has been getting slowly but steadily better on my mac
Mike Bird wrote:
> Please see the subject of this thread. Those of us who are switching
> are doing so because the answer to the question was negative. We didn't
> randomly upgrade our production systems. We tested F9 and determined
> that KDE 4.x is not ready for prime time.
I don't understan
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> They'll wait till Fedora users and other similar early adopters have
> helped iron out the bugs. Kinda like Pulse Audio, NetworkManager, etc
I fear that will be a very long wait ...
Actually, NM has been getting slowly but steadily better on my machines.
It would have b
On Saturday 21 June 2008 13:23:59 Craig White wrote:
> As Timothy Murphy will tell you, I am pretty adamant that the Internet
> provides too many confusing LDAP walk-throughs that don't correlate with
> each other and will typically lead to frustration and the most simple
> way to learn LDAP is Ger
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:04 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:58:11 Craig White wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 12:34 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:16:20 Craig White wrote:
> > > > > My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons f
On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:58:11 Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 12:34 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:16:20 Craig White wrote:
> > > > My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my
> > > > nfs shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 12:34 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:16:20 Craig White wrote:
> > > My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my nfs
> > > shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open those shares in either
> > > dolphin or konqueror, so it's r
On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:16:20 Craig White wrote:
> > My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my nfs
> > shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open those shares in either
> > dolphin or konqueror, so it's really no more than a minor inconvenience.
> > The same goes f
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:48 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 20 June 2008 23:53:47 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
> > I saw no one stating nothing like that. The blame some people have put
> > on Fedora was for shipping an incomplete KDE4 when there was the option
> > to ship the fully function
On Friday 20 June 2008 23:53:47 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
> I saw no one stating nothing like that. The blame some people have put
> on Fedora was for shipping an incomplete KDE4 when there was the option
> to ship the fully functional KDE 3.5.9. These people said that Fedora
> should have wait
On Saturday 21 June 2008 00:47:24 Mike Bird wrote:
> The other distros are supporting both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.x for one to
> three years. This allows people to migrate once KDE 4.x meets their
> needs.
As I mentioned elsewhere, I have one system that has both 3.5 and 4.0 running.
Compromises a
Craig White wrote:
I have a lot of machines running Fedora 8 / KDE and none experience the
issue you are talking about. I suspect there is a problem with your
installation because that is not an issue with Fedora 8/KDE.
not an issue for you, yet in a couple of past post, i do believe there wer
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 21:50 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> But you do know that you new distro will switch to KDE 4.0 soon too
> right?
Going by the various reports and comments, those other distros will
switch over when KDE 4 is ready for use. The biggest bitch about this,
Fedora-wise, would seem t
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[ snip ]
> The difference, Kevin, is that Kubuntu shipped KDE 4.x a month before
> Fedora and will support KDE 3.5 nine months after Fedora ends support.
>
> Kubuntu is providing people with three times the transition period tha
Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri June 20 2008 18:50:45 David Boles wrote:
But you do know that you new distro will switch to KDE 4.0 soon too right?
Your definition of "soon" must be different than mine:
Fedora will support KDE 3.5 until approximately December 2008.
Kubuntu will support KDE 3.5 until
On Fri June 20 2008 18:50:45 David Boles wrote:
> But you do know that you new distro will switch to KDE 4.0 soon too right?
Your definition of "soon" must be different than mine:
Fedora will support KDE 3.5 until approximately December 2008.
Kubuntu will support KDE 3.5 until approximately Octob
--- On Fri, 6/20/08, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:49 PM
> On Fri June 20 2008 16:33:27 David Boles
Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri June 20 2008 16:33:27 David Boles wrote:
This thread has become a whiners contest. Who can whine the longest or the
loudest. Or both.
We surrender David. You win.
Hi Mike. I was not looking for that. ;-)
Linux is choice. You chose what to use, or not to use. You a
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Paul Johnson gmail.com> writes:
He is speaking for me. I was a RedHat / Fedora user 10 years, 1 month
ago, I became an Ubuntu user.
FYI, Kubuntu is dropping KDE 3 support in Intrepid Ibex, which will be released
at about the same time as Fedora 10.
https://wiki.kubuntu.
Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri June 20 2008 15:09:10 David Boles wrote:
Ok. How many of those of you that are disappointed or upset with KDE 4.x
did any research *before* you installed/upgraded? How many of you
downloaded a KDE Live-CD and actually tried it *before* you
installed/upgraded?
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